Nights with John Stanley

00:07 And now on 2GB Sydney, 4BC Brisbane and network stations across Australia, it's time for Nights with John Stanley. 00:17 Good evening everyone, welcome along, welcome to Wednesday night. Very busy news hour coming up shortly and a special news hour guest joining us. We'll be talking cars in the next hour. A phenomenal piece of nostalgia for you, which really is in response to a lot of requests I've had over the last week. We'll do that after 10 o'clock tonight. If my voice is a little bit scratchy, there's something going around. I was talking to Lucy Zellich about this earlier. 00:41 It's almost identical, this thing. It gets into your chest, whatever it might be. So if my voice is sounding a bit different, my apologies. It's not your radio. It's not your smart speaker, whatever it might be. It's me, and I should be able to get through the next few hours. 131873 is the number. There's a bit to talk about tonight, and there's three really significant stories that have landed just in the last hour. 01:05 First of all, one of these comes from Pauline Hanson. Now, this is being reported in the nine newspapers and also the Australian newspaper. Because when Parliament resumes, she is going to put forward a very, very detailed, and she's calling it a court-proof plan to keep ISIS to terrorists and supporters out of Australia. 01:28 So this is a counter-terror bill. 01:32 She says it'll be high court proof, so obviously they've gone through it with lawyers. 01:37 It's a 22-page Protecting Australians from Foreign Terrorist Fighters Bill. 01:42 Parliament resumes on August 11, and it's being described as the most detailed piece of One Nation policy since the party's ascendancy after the Bondi attack. And there's a whole lot of detail here. 01:54 She's saying she sent this to Angus Taylor and another of the crossbenchers. Hasn't had a response yet. She sent this to them last Thursday. The opposition leader said, thank you for backing my anti-terror push. 02:08 and bring forward the proposals for Parliament's consideration. But this is all about saying, well, you're saying we haven't got any MPs and haven't got any detailed policies. Well, here it is, and it's on the website of The Australian, the Sydney Morning Herald. It says it would create a foreign terrorist fighter exclusion order, stop the automatic issue of return permits while the court considers a case, make it harder for people to get bailed for terror offences, allow the blocking of passports for anyone on an exclusion order, and making it a crime to organise or facilitate an unauthorised return. 02:42 And the Australian is saying that One Nation has sought high-level legal advice externally on the bill, including from prominent constitutional lawyers. So they throw that forward, and we saw this a bit with the proposal to deport... illegal immigrants, people who are here illegally, who've outstayed all of their visas. And they do get, as we pointed out, I think last week, there's a couple of thousand that are being deported each year, but that's not even making a dent in the 60, 70, 80,000 that are here within the community. 03:19 Coalition's got a plan, but when One Nation's plan came out... front page of all the publications and so again you've got this very detailed piece of policy being released in response to people saying it's okay to be there in the polls but where's your policy and so they say well here is a policy so that's landed just in the last hour or so and then we've got the continuing toing and froing over what's happening in the middle east but iran After everything that's happened, the economy's been turned upside down, world oil supply lines have been affected, we've been paying more, inflation's taken off, and yet you've still got a repressive regime in Iran. 03:58 And in the Australian newspaper, again, this one's landed just in the last hour, Shakufa Azhar, who's been reporting regularly on people within Iran who she keeps in touch with, and these are people who risk their lives just to get information out, But she's talking about this massive, massive crackdown where protesters estimated, what, 40, 50, 60,000 people, maybe up to 80,000 people who were slaughtered in a response to protests. This is back in January. 04:29 Now, she's starting to tell stories about some of the kids, very young children that were killed in this massacre. She even details a story where a mother saw her very young daughter killed in front of her And the people who did it said, we're going to spare you so you can suffer for the rest of your life and remember what's just happened here, which is just horrific. 04:47 And she's wondering where the thought is about the people within Iran, the victims. I saw this morning some stories of a series of public executions that have occurred again. 04:58 So we're all hoping this thing can be brought to an end and that the Strait of Humoz can open and oil prices can start to settle down and inflation can go down. What about the people in Iran? who are under the yoke of these people, who were supposed to have been essentially obliterated, but it seems the people running the show there may be even worse than the ones that were there before the war began. 131873 is the number. Who knows what will come from that? There are meetings in Washington that may determine the direction of that particular dispute. So there's that one. 05:29 And how about this one? 05:31 This one's just popped up. We often hear that things are for sale. For instance, we hear, for instance, in the gang wars in Sydney, how hits are put up on the web as a contract. Well, 10 grand to go and firebomb that place. You pay more, you can have a hit on someone, you can actually have a murder contracted out. So it's several moves away, so you're insulating the person who's starting it, and down the track someone takes the money. 06:02 This is a story coming out of a court, and I'll just read you the detail of this. It says... 06:08 a public servant allegedly had a price list as low as $500 for leaking the names and addresses of underworld figures to their rivals. This involves a corrective services officer. It's a case that's been going through the courts. The person's now been released on bail. But all of this, according to court papers that are now able to be reported, corrective services New South Wales employee allegedly charged only $500 for information she accessed on the personal profiles of 16 different inmates In late last year through to May of this year, some were organised crime figures or people with criminal associations, others were accused of murder. 06:46 Now there's a lot more detail here and they are saying that they raided this woman's home May 13, accessed her laptop, allegedly finding a document containing restricted data and the fees sought for sharing it. 06:58 She's claimed despite having a price list, she'd been paid just $500 in cash on two occasions and for the information. There are comments here saying, quotes from her, I assume they were Alabardines or Hamsies. It was all like Middle Eastern names usually. I assume it was people, rivals fighting. I don't know. I didn't want to know. 07:17 And she's saying, according to the quotes here in the police papers, she was scared because I've been doing the wrong thing. Now, later on in the papers, court documents state one of the people allegedly on the leaked list has since been shot outside his home. 07:32 And the Telegraph understands another person who also features on the list was targeted in a drive-by shooting in recent times. So they're saying the woman was originally refused bail, granted bail last week in the New South Wales Supreme Court on strict conditions. There are caveats in place, a suppression order to predict her identity and the identity of those figures whose information she leaked also made on that day. But these details are able to be reported and there they are on the Telegraph website. 08:01 131873 is the number. All of that's just landed just in the last hour or so at a quarter past eight. We do often take refuge in sport to maybe distract us from what's going on that ain't all that pretty. And the Commonwealth Games, I've long thought that in the world of sport, there's maybe half a dozen really big, big events. And in Australian sport, There's a few things that we've always wanted to see. If you go back far enough, it was the America's Cup. 08:33 We saw, of course, Adam Scott finally in Australia and won the Masters. But one of the really big events in world sport, one of the handful, is the 100 metres on the track for men. 08:43 And we've got to go back more than 60 years to get on the dais, even at a Commonwealth Games. And yet we've got Lockie Kennedy overnight running a phenomenal race, getting a silver medal at the Commonwealth Games. He's a very young man and he's got a big future ahead of him. And you think about 2032, because Gout Gout's in there as well. So the future of Australian sprinting finally, that might be a very hot ticket. 09:06 Are they selling those tickets yet for 2032? I think just as the 400... 09:11 in Sydney with Cathy Freeman was the hot event. Maybe the 100 metres for men in Brisbane in 2032 might be the one to get a ticket for. We might be talking about that at the time. 16 past eight. Guests joining us shortly for our news hour. You want to be part of it. Give us your thoughts on any of the things we've talked about here tonight. You may have something you've seen or heard today that you want to raise with us or it may be something that you think needs to have a light shone on. We can do it for you. Give us a call, 131873 at 16 past 8. 09:44 20 past 8, it is, of course, a Wednesday night. 09:47 And Trent Nikolic, who is now a broadcaster with our network, he's also, his sideline is our motoring editor as well. How are you, mate? I'm good, mate. I'm good, mate. Good evening, everyone. 09:59 Yeah, well, I was coming here for nine o'clock for automotive and you just said to me, why don't you just come in here an hour earlier? And I said, yeah, all right. I've got people here saying, if your voice lasts the show, I'll be surprised. That's from Brett. Can we keep that one? So you had ulterior motives that I'm only here in case your voice gives out and then I'm here till midnight. Yeah, I thought so. 10:19 I've got a note here from someone talking about Tommy Robinson and some of the things that have been said about Tommy Robinson. 10:27 I've mentioned Tommy Robinson, so I don't know who you're responding to there. If you want to give me an idea of what you're talking about, because sometimes you get these little notes coming through and I have no idea what people are talking about. 10:40 The thing I've noticed with the text line when you're in the hot seat, people send messages. You know how some people send messages in three or four messages when they could send one? But the thing is, in between each message, you're getting 20 messages from other people. That's right. So you get all these weirdo messages that don't add up. 10:57 wants to tell me they can get, look I just mentioned a moment ago and we'll touch on it very briefly because One Nation's at the centre of all the conversations at the moment and Pauline Hanson, I noticed tonight Paul Kelly who's been doing this for literally 50 years, he's saying that One Nation's a thing of beauty for the Labor Party, it's benefiting the Labor Party, the Labor Party's putting One Nation up there on a pedestal and essentially trying to marginalise the coalition and here we have a situation where one of the common points about One Nation is, well, their policies are fairly simple. 11:31 There's not a lot of detail and they haven't got a lot of people to put in front of the cameras beyond Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce. So they've prepared this policy, this anti-terror policy. It's detailed legislation. They say they've got constitutional lawyers that have put it together. They're sending it to the crossbenchers. They've sent it to Angus Taylor last Thursday. They've got a fairly short response from him. And so there it is on the front page of a story. Well, here's Pauline Hanson taking the lead on the terror issues. So, again, that's a win for her. 12:02 It's absolutely a win for her. I think what Paul Kelly's saying there about it benefiting the Labor Party makes sense to me. It does. I think it hurts the Liberal Party as much as it benefits the Labor Party. 12:13 When I filled in for Luke Grant on the weekend, John, I said that now is the time... 12:19 not just for One Nation but for Liberal as well, to stop telling us what's wrong, which they've been articulating for 12 months to 24 months. So inflation's too high, the NDIS is out of control, immigration's out of control, interest rates are out of control, cost of living's too expensive, whatever it is. What... I asked the parties to do on the microphone in this studio is stop telling us what's wrong start telling us exactly what you're going to do how you're going to do it and then what it will either cost or save so that when the Australians who are listening to us now go to vote they know exactly what they're voting for because it's all well and good to say I'm going to vote for One Nation but what are you actually getting aside from a couple of throwaway lines in a press conference and this is actually an example of what I was talking about Actually put together a material direction that you're going to take and how it's going to work. 13:11 That's right. 13:11 Now, at 23 minutes past eight, we have had this ICAC inquiry, which there's so many aspects of this. It's hard to keep track of. From the point of view of the Liberal Party, you talk about the Liberal Party, there's the right wing of the Liberal Party, there's the centre-right, like called the Alex Hawke faction, and then you've got the moderates. But it's the right wing of the party that was involved with the... 13:34 So you're a parent sending your kids to a Catholic school who have great reputations. They're low-fee Catholic schools that have been very, very successful. And this is the umbrella group, Catholic Schools New South Wales. And it would seem there was a fellow, for instance, who was working Catholic Schools New South Wales, spending 60% of his duty while employed there, working on stacking liberal party branches this is evidence that came out at the icac uh today yep and they're talking about um this sheet is what i'll have to say what it is because being reported that against david elliott who's he's on the record and it's pretty obvious it was something that was made up but it was being it was targeting him and it was being put around by these people And so people hear that. 14:19 The complexity of it is actually really hard to absorb. Very deep. But all you hear is Liberal Party, corruption, basically fighting each other – donations to a developer trying to stack the numbers on a council. And then they think, well, they're all doing it. 14:40 Two things to that. One, if you think it's only the Liberal Party doing it, have a look at the Labor Party and the CFMEU in Victoria. You've got more than enough example of how they operate down there if you want to have a look whether both parties are capable of it. 14:53 My concern, though, with this, John, is that, again, on the weekend when I was on Luke Grant's show, this goes to a broad issue that the Australian voting public has of trust. Trust at any level, with any government, of any kind, from any side. So you say to the listeners... 15:13 I'd like the Liberal Party to articulate what it's going to do to counteract something Labor Party's doing. The text line lights up with people saying, I don't trust them. They'll tell us they're going to do it and then they won't do it and I don't trust them. So I think the problem that we have at the moment is on any level. 15:33 People are looking at politicians and political parties and thinking, how can I trust that they will do what's best for me and not do what's best for a developer, for their own branch stacking aspirations, for their own bank accounts, their own superannuation funds? How do you have trust in any of the system at any level? 15:50 And that's the message coming through from people saying, well, the reason we're saying we're going to go out for One Nation is because we want to blow the whole system up and start again. And you know what, John? 16:01 As much as I worry about the effectiveness of that, I cannot blame it. blame Australians for that? Because we've been fundamentally lied to and let down by politicians for a long time now in this country. And look at the state of the budget, look at the cost of living, look at the reality for most Australians when they go and work out their weekly budgets. How can you blame them? 16:24 So you've got this group, the reformers, that were involved in this branch stacking and are tied up with this developer. And this is the information coming out of the ICAC. And then you had text that emerged. And again, the detail, it's important. The text emerged from some of these characters where they said, yeah, Angus Taylor has committed to providing $15,000 and then the $3,000 a month payment. And so he was asked a number of times about this. And then... If you had just listened to what he said, because he committed to doing it, he said he's agreed to do it, and then he said this, so have a listen today, and he finally had said it. 17:00 As I said, I'm not going to give a running commentary on all of this. I'm not a party for the proceedings, but no payment was made. 17:08 No payment was made. That's right. Now, you word things very carefully because the suggestion was that you'd agreed to make a payment. Yeah. No payment was made doesn't mean you didn't agree to make it. Well, this is the whole point. And again, we don't know because all of this is tumbling out of the ICAC and it continues and we've seen it. And again, it affects the major parties because in New South Wales, we've now got Catholic schools in New South Wales and parents going, well, what were these people doing? They're supposed to be looking after our interests. 17:38 And then when you hear branch stacking and operations like this, you then say, what were they doing? They're supposed to be working for us. For us. Then you go back a few years where Maurice Yemmer was trying to get some plans put in place to build metros all over the city, and Eddie Obedin and his cronies were involved in undermining him, factional manoeuvrings, brought his government down and put the whole construction program back about 15 years. 18:01 15 years. I've got a very simple question. Why does a developer of any kind that's running a private business, need to lobby anybody in Parliament. Why? You and me and most people who are listening can't cut down a bloody tree in our backyard without 15 layers of council. You know why they do it. I know why they do it. And that's what I'm saying. It should be stopped immediately. They should have no access to people in Parliament at all. 18:25 Hang on. See, I've been saying for at least 20 years... And I was working at a time in this business when we had a couple of blokes were essentially selling opinions under the table for cash. That's what happened. And so since then, we've been subject to all sorts of regulations and declare everything, which is fair enough. But then I see at a Labor Party conference, they have this $15,000 speed dating where you spend 15 minutes with a cabinet minister. That is corruption because you are selling access. 18:56 Of course you are. 18:56 No one's going to do anything about it. No. because they both do it and that's the point and that's what i'm saying you know the politicians now are so arrogant that they don't even care about the optics of it look at the prime minister at that dinner party he doesn't even care about the optics when the australian public look at him and think why are you there you're there with the son of a bloke who owes the ato 200 and something million dollars why are you there what for why does that kid need to speak to you yeah What possible conversation could you be having with that kid? 19:26 Well, what they would say is that they're the head of the Commonwealth Bank and some of these other people were there. 19:31 What, he's chasing the debt? Yeah, but they see people all of the time. 19:35 But is he chasing the debt? Yeah, but not at a dinner like that. No, of course not. It's a fundraising dinner. And even if it was only $100,000 and not a million dollars, the whole point is... 19:45 We publicly fund election campaigns. 19:48 We can't get the Prime Minister on this radio station to answer one question from one presenter, but he turns up at a dinner with the son of a property developer. 19:57 He works for us, mate, not the property developer. 19:59 He works for the Australian public. 20:02 this. Of course they do. But you know what the issue is, our listeners are aware of this, just so we make sure I've put it all on the table, the reason they raise all this money and they have these fundraisers and they sell access to ministers and shadow ministers, which I think is corruption, but the reason they do it, even though they get public funding of election campaigns, is that they need that money. I think, what do they need it for? Even the social media stuff that we saw on the weekend, that's actually being funded through Yeah, taxpayer. Of course it is. So where does that money go? 20:33 The money goes into the garbage... Oh, I've got to say this. The garbage that spewed out on radio and TV in an election campaign. The election advertising. The stupid ads. All those ads. Now, we actually trouser that money. They spend it on us. That's true. But I don't think I've ever seen an election ad that has actually... 20:54 had a sensible point. 20:55 Fundamentally had any value, yeah. 20:57 Yeah, it's just scare campaigns. 20:59 Yeah, it's all rubbish. It's rubbish. 21:01 Yeah. All right. 21:03 God. Gives us something to talk about. 131873 is the number. Just a lot of people saying, people like Pauline, because if she tells it as is, doesn't branch stack. Well, they don't have branches. Yeah. No, that's right. 21:15 They've got nothing to stack. But see, to the point about telling it like it is, and I get that, and I actually like that about Pauline Hanson as well. But like I said, underneath that now, there needs to be substance. So you can say that immigration is a problem. Okay, exactly what are you going to do about it? Tell us. 21:31 Yeah, but... This is what's interesting. That's why I made the point at the start of the show. And what Greg's saying here is, and he's right, Greg, he's saying that people aren't fussy about One Nation not supplying a full suite of policies. They just want to break the existing system. But the point I was making at the start of the show, what's significant about this is that you've got people saying, well, where are their policies? And so they time it very carefully. Yeah. Bring it out about seven o'clock tonight. Out comes this policy. It's on the front page of The Australian, front page of the nine publications. 22:03 It's got a lot of detail. They've sent it to the crossbenches as well. They say they've got constitutional lawyers who've helped them put this together. And so they've got something to talk about. And Angus Taylor, the Christian tomorrow, it's all set up so that tomorrow people will say to Angus Taylor, well, you had this last Thursday. Why hadn't you responded to her? Yeah. And he'll say, well, I responded by saying thanks for supporting our policy. But people aren't taking any notice of his policy. Not paying any attention. 131873 is our number. Let's take a break. Come back in a moment. Look, maybe you tell us a joke or everything. 22:34 Lighten the mood. 22:34 We're going to talk cars in the next hour and we're going to have some fun with that. Just don't raise my blood pressure in that hour, will you? No. 27 to 9 now. 22:43 I founded the Hornot in 2013 and made a vestuario for cyclists. For me, the best part of Shopify is the possibility of a business even not having technical knowledge. We managed to do everything, from back-end to front-end, and to make online vendas, without complications. If a Shopify was a cyclist equipment, I would say that it would be a bicycle. It's all that allows us to get where we want. It's on Shopify that we manage our business. Start your evaluation at shopify.com. 23:13 24 minutes to 9, 131873 is our number. So I'm listening to the Money News program tonight and some of you are thinking, no, don't tell me he's going to talk about the GST. Well, look, I won't actually because they were talking about stamp duty and some of the ridiculous taxes like payroll tax, which don't make any sense. Payroll tax, I can't understand how there's a tax on a payroll, which is a tax on employment and how that's lasted. And there have been proposals to get rid of it. And stamp duty, you think... 23:44 Well, I was going to get Kellan to do this tomorrow night, but I'm looking this up. We've got a researcher, Frank Wikipedia, that does it for us. And it goes back to the 1600s, Venice. 23:56 The Italians were in on it. Yeah, that's right. And apparently the stamp would go on the piece of paper to indicate that you'd paid the duty. So it was actually brought in to finance wars. But you physically had someone with a stamp stamping something, which you no longer have. But now it's survived and it's just there. 24:18 Put it up with the luxury car tax, payroll tax. 24:21 So many different things that make no sense, and things just get kicked down the road, and I know it's probably something we could do in the next hour, but a very good example is the duty, the excise on petrol. Yep. And we've had conversations about this, and it frustrates me because people lace this in with electric cars. But the truth is, I think you buy a car these days, you're buying a hybrid at least. So when you buy a hybrid, the hybrid's using 40% of the petrol you were using before. It's just as heavy. Mm-hm. 24:51 doing as much damage on the road using less petrol, paying less excise. So it's a very inefficient, outdated tax, and it's collected by the federal government, but they're too scared to look at how they can change it. 25:04 Well, the federal government, with their push to renewables and their push toward not just electric vehicles, as you said, but the NVES, which is the National Vehicle Emissions Scheme, more efficient vehicles on the road, they clearly have not thought about the hole in the budget that the fuel excise will leave. Because if you're using half as much fuel, you're paying half as much excise, which means they're collecting half as much revenue from every car that's using half as much fuel. And that's before you get to the electric vehicles. And as you said, that goes into consolidated revenue as part of the federal fund. 25:36 some of which, not all, but some of which is supposed to go back to maintain the roads. 25:39 Yeah, but the point is that you say that, well, there'd be people, there'd be officials. 25:45 It's simple common sense. 25:47 How's this going to work in the future? Because this is going to start to run out. And you'd look at it and you'd go, all right, listen. Put that in the folder there and we'll literally kick it down the road. Just can't deal with it now. And then there's an example today, and again this is to do with roads, but for our listeners outside Sydney, the M5. Now the M5 tunnel... Major arterial road into Sydney. This is where there's... And the history of this is the M5 tunnel was finally built. 26:17 It was finally built back in the 90s, I think it was. 26:22 And when that M5 tunnel was done, it was originally planned to be a toll, the last part of it meant to be a toll road. But because they didn't put a toll on the last bit of it going toward the airport, the reason they didn't put a toll on it is that the Transport Minister was trying to get votes to become Premier. Of course he was. So no toll. which meant everyone dived into it. When you have a price signal, it means people think, well, I'll use the surface roads. So it was full from day one. So now you've had a duplication of it, but you've got tolls on it, and the tunnel was closed, and they were doing some maintenance work, and it's owned by a private outfit. 26:58 Now, if you're... If you go and do a ride at Luna Park or whatever and the thing doesn't go, they'll give you your money back. You don't pay for it. But these people were stuck in this tunnel And the question is, have we heard anything from the owner of the tunnel saying, because they could do it, everyone's tagged, we're going to make sure everyone gets a discount. 27:23 I've said it before, John, if I'm paying for a toll road that's owned by a private company and it cannot provide the service that's advertised, so if I do 20 kilometres on the M2 at 100 kilometres an hour, and I actually am able to do that, I'll pay to use it. But if I'm getting 50Ks an hour out of it, why am I paying? 27:40 The problem is that when they did these contracts, someone should have put it in the contract to give the government the capacity to say, in circumstances like this, the government can intervene and say, you give these people that money back. They've made so much money out of these things over the years anyway. So look, this is the New South Wales Minister for Roads. This applies across the country as well in these circumstances. But this is the New South Wales Minister for Roads. 28:02 uh talking uh to clinton maynard in sydney today because there was a problem the tunnel could have been closed so people got stuck in it have a listen because i understand with the uh actual issue with the fan was that it wasn't secure they didn't feel that it was secure they didn't want to take the risk look it's a really serious but that being the case does that mean the way the drive has been put at risk by that suit that fan that's not secure over the past few days Look, that's not the same thing. They were doing their normal maintenance checks to make sure. Obviously, if they notice any issue, they're going to take a conservative approach and make sure that it is safe. 28:39 But if it was already safe for us to be driving the last couple of days, surely it would be safe to leave it for the rest of the day and they're not inconvenienced half of Sydney and they could have fixed it tonight. 28:48 Yeah, look, that's a decision they have to make as the road manager. As I said, it's a really serious decision to make to ensure that we have the safety on the network. If you identify that there's a risk, you're going to have a discussion with the engineer. That happened early this morning. They made the call. 29:03 And look, I've gone – I know I get the trans-urban reports. Companies do. They provide their report to their shareholders. And every time I look at the trans-urban ones, I know when we had the pandemic, they were talking about the problem. Not enough people were using the roads, but we're expecting post the pandemic people will get back on the roads. They were talking about economic – When there's a bump in economic activity, they think there'll be more cars on the roads, our revenues are going to go up, and I've never once seen in any of those reports to their shareholders, hey, listen, we've done so well out of this over so many years, and we're actually on the nose with a lot of people. 29:38 We're going to give back. So we're going to give some of this back. Yeah, let's give back. 29:41 And we're going to have a couple of weekends where we'll have toll-free weekends like every other business does. Never seen a sign of that. 29:47 Not a chance. Won't happen. And let me ask you this question. If you're listening now... 29:53 Is there a government minister at federal or state level that can give a straight, competent answer on their portfolio? 30:01 Seriously. Every single time there's an issue with a portfolio, it doesn't matter whether it's the communications minister, the roads minister, the health minister, the sports minister, it doesn't matter. You ask them a question and you get this mealy mouth dancing around, oh, well, no, actually, no, it's not actually like that. They cannot answer the question straight. 30:20 You know what we needed to do? What? What we needed to do was you and I pulled $15,000 together. We could have gone to speed dating. Oh, we could have gone 15 minutes with the minister. And we could have found out what sort of answers you get in the speed dating booth. I like it. It would have only cost us 15 grand. Exactly. Can we go to Mandy who's called in? We've got people listening all over the country, including, I think, are you in Broken Hill, Mandy? 30:40 Yes. Hi, how are you? 30:42 Yeah, good. How is it there? 30:46 It's getting a bit chilly at the moment. Yeah, it is. That's okay. I just wanted to ask about, like, the census that you have to fill out the form and blah, blah. This is for the census. And who does it actually go to? Does it go to Labor? Yes. 31:05 No, no, no. It just goes to the... Well, it goes to the census and then the ABS and they put all the information together. Yeah, the Australian Bureau of Statistics, yeah. So that's where it goes. Labor doesn't get it, but the information's available to everyone, including you and me when it's put together. Yeah, we can go online. Just about how many people are living in a certain area, what their religion might be. So you get a profile and they use it for planning. So they say there are this number of people, this is the age profile, these are people who maybe have got new babies. This is... We'll need to educate them. 31:36 That's what they do, Mandy. It's not going to the Labor Party, not privately. It's publicly available. 31:42 Oh, thank goodness. All right. Okay. 31:45 Are you going to do it online? 31:46 Is that what you're going to do? I did get the letter in the mail today, and I'm just like, oh, here we go. I wonder who's going to benefit out of this. 31:58 Is there something you're worried about that they might hear about you? 32:03 Yeah. 32:04 What? Is there something you can... Well, I'll tell you what we can do. Let's put the cone of silence down. Yeah, no one's listening. Is there something you're worried about that you want to say? Or is it just your name and your identity? Is that what you're worried about? 32:14 Yeah, exactly. And I did Google it. It's like, well, you'll get a fine if you don't fill it out. 32:23 Look, it's basically, Mandy, I think it's one of those things that I look at it as it's a bit of a pain and, yeah, it's, you know, we all sort of shrug our shoulders a bit, but it's kind of our civic duty to sort of get an understanding of, you know, like they need to know in Broken Hill, you know, in terms of when they look at the breakdown of the town and who lives there and what religion is the biggest religion and, you know, who's moved there in the last 12 months. It's stuff that they actually use for legitimate purposes. Some of it's silly. Like, I want to know, is Jedi Knight still there as a religion? 32:56 Because remember so many people one year said they're a Jedi? Jedi Knight, that's right. Well, I'll tick that box this year. 33:00 Are you? Yeah, so I've converted to Jedi Knight. What is interesting, Mandy, I had a look at this. I think in the last three censuses, and I'll be open about it. 33:08 Is it census or sensei? Don't do that. 33:13 The last three we've seen, my group, which is those with no religion, has been going up and up. Ah, yes. I think it's up into the high 40s now, and the expectation would be it'll go above 50%. 33:23 But for you and me, sport is our religion. Can we tick sport? Probably, yeah. 33:28 All right, Mandy. 33:29 Look, I think... 33:31 Everyone does it. You can fill out the details. It goes. It's publicly available. They don't identify it. They don't put your name next to it, so I don't think you've got any fear about it. Can I ask another question to you, though? 33:42 Absolutely. A month away, the Mundy Mundy Bash near Broken Hill. The weather be good because it's going to be a very big line-up. 33:50 It is. It's always like caravans and vans and, yes, they line up. At fuel stations and everything. 34:01 Listen, what we might do, we might actually... Yeah, check in with Mandy. Check in with her. It's a week before the... Well, check in with Mandy because it's 95% sold at the moment. 34:11 Can I say Broken Hill is one of our... 34:14 most amazing inland towns it's a sensational town and the pub in the main street the big old pub is unbelievable it's one of the best pub meals you'll ever have it's one of those typical outback country pubs it's it's a long way to go broken hill but it's well worth going out there for a run okay all right yeah the monday monday bash because the big red bash has been put off because of the uh the big sheet of water going through the center of town and you've got 34:37 John Stevens, John Butler, Leo Sayer, Jessica Mowboy, Whitlam. Yeah, big names. I mean, that's Richard Clapton. Yeah, big line-up. Like I said, Daily. So 95% booked. 34:48 Got to get in early. 34:49 That's fantastic. Good on you. Thank you, Mandy. 131873. Let's come back. We're getting some feedback. One of my regulars who takes pot shots, he's a bit like the – he's actually like the – I like them. He's like the Monty Python. The guy says, come on, you know, the soldier's getting your arm cut off. He just keeps putting his head up. His name's Tony. I'm going to deal with him shortly at 12 to 9. 35:13 131873 is the number now. Nine minutes to nine is the time. The ABS runs the census. It's done every five years. I've had them on a couple of times where they talk about... I feel silly even hearing myself say it. It's supposedly so they can say, well, this is where we're getting changes in demographics. We may need more schools here. Yeah, I think it's valuable. That sort of forward planning doesn't actually work out that way. No. Todd's on the line. Hello, Todd. 35:38 G'day, John and Trent. Hello, mate. Look, I understand you about census, but... how many other countries in the world use it and why are we using census when we already do it on medicare and medical files we turn the kids to school they get all that information there's all this information is already there in their database are we checking on something else Because I'm sure we're the only other country other than New Zealand, probably England if they do it, that actually works on census. 36:10 Todd, I just looked up very quickly. I just looked up while you were speaking. Apparently, all countries or almost all that are in the UN population fund have a census of some kind. So that's nearly 150 countries. 36:23 Thanks for your call. Look, what I might try and do, because I've done it before, have the people from the census on and maybe the minister, whatever it might be, but my suspicion hearing what Todd said, because it makes sense. Yes, what are they actually using it for? Driver's licences and everything. So you enrol your kid in a school. Yep. But I think there's always concern about all that stuff being cross-matched. Yes. So you pull it into a big – people talk about Big Brother database as opposed to – a situation, for instance, your medical records, as opposed to where you are voluntarily providing the information. 36:56 Yeah, Todd asks a legitimate question. Like, what do they do with the information once they've got it? 37:00 He's saying, well, could you do it in a more efficient and cheaper way? Spot on. Maybe one day. Anthony, hello? 37:06 Yes, Anthony. 37:07 John and Trent. Hey, John, Anthony here from Darwin, mate, grandson of dragon number 94. We've had a hard year, but I'll get over it. Very good. But I live in Darwin, and my wife, Kylie, and I have been in Perth the last couple of months. No toll roads in Darwin. No toll roads in Perth. That's right. Magnificent roads and much better than the rest of Australia. 37:27 So you're advocating a shift out of Brisbane, Sydney. 37:30 He's right about Perth. Perth's motorway network's fantastic. Very good. Yeah, it's very good. And this is the best time of the year from what I understand to be in the top end. It is. 37:37 He's in the right part of the world. The Duck, he'll be with us tomorrow night and he is on his way into central Australia and up toward the top end. So you'll be hearing a bit about it anthony i might even try and get you to catch up with the duck and in fact i might get you to walk up and we'll stage it so you can walk up and ask him for a selfie and he won't realize that i staged it because he doesn't get many requests but he pretends that he does thank you anthony graham a quick one from you mate yeah hi it's the uh 38:03 I was going to use to put a poll tax like they try to do in England. Empty nesters like myself with four bedrooms and only the two of us in the house. He wants to houses and that's how he's going to do it. Then we'd have to pay stamp duty for the new house when we downsize. You know what I mean? 38:19 Yeah, well, see, one of the things, again, I know they talked about it on the Money News show, the stamp duty is one of the things preventing people, like Graham, who might want to downsize to something new. 38:29 But why would he want to blow her that much money in stamp duty? 38:31 Well, that's true, and I think that's right. But I think one of the things they do do, they say, okay, this area's got a lot of houses. Maybe if you're a... 38:39 a decent government trying to do the right thing, you might say, there's a lot of people living here who are empty nesters. Maybe if we did something on stamp duty, they may... Maybe incentivise them. 38:49 May downsize, and then they'll get into a place... Government's happy to incentivise people to put solar panels on the roof or buy electric cars. 38:56 Yep, yep. 38:59 Greg says the sensors would be useful for coming in soft three-ply six-inch squares. Thank you very much for that. Look, I've got a few more I'll go through as well, but I'm just about out of time at five to nine. Thanks for all the feedback we've had. I'll go through your feedback straight after the news before we start talking cars because I've got the motoring editor joining me for cars after the news. But poor old Tony, he's counterfeit. He's into you again. Just to inject a little bit of sport into it. And Anthony from Darwin, he's, of course, dad played for the Dragons. 39:30 Dragons royalty. Dragons had a pretty ordinary year. He's telling me about it. They're signing all these, because they've signed Cody Nicaremi today. He's 33. Very good signing there, playing 5'8". And he's saying, you know, you've got all this, like a retirement home, I'm thinking. But we've signed a front rower from South who's better than anything they've got. We've got a fullback that's better than anything they've got coming from the Cowboys. Got a Half-back better than anything they've got. Anything they've got. We've got young forwards. 39:56 The only time Canterbury will be able to get over the top of them is in July, two years from now, when they're all playing State of Origin. 40:02 And when did the Bulldogs last win a comp? It was 0-4. 40:05 Yeah, it's a while ago. I've got to be very careful, because you know who owns the station. I know. 40:10 He loves the Bulldogs, I know. 40:13 Be careful. Okay. Look, if anyone's taking a transcript of that, those last comments were made by Mr James Willis. LAUGHTER Thank you. That was our news hour. I'm going to go through some of your feedback, and we're talking cars straight after this on this Wednesday night. 40:29 Wherever you're listening to us, Perth, Darwin, Broken Hill, anywhere around the world, I hope it's going well for you here on this Wednesday. We've got a lot more coming up. We're going to talk cars, Costa Car, where you can get your cars valued. Trent will talk cars as well, and you can be a part of it as well. News next, though. 40:47 Music 40:59 Now it's back to John Stanley, right across Australia. 41:03 Good evening, everyone. Welcome along. It's Wednesday night wherever you're listening to us. I hope it's going well. Of course, 4BC had its birthday, 95th birthday, 2CC had a 50th. Different stations, different outlets, and those of you sitting, you might be sitting, listening on a smart speaker. It's about to have its first birthday, or maybe a three-month birthday. 41:22 the app whatever it might be different ways of listening but 2gb in sydney is going to be celebrating its 100th birthday next month and when we are over the next few weeks and i know for those listening on 2gb i just had a note from jason morrison's listening to all on 2gb we're using all of the old little jingles and clips and they do bring back memories of the past but In the weeks ahead, I was just doing a bit of research. John Howard made his first appearance on the radio in a radio quiz, which I think was broadcast before television had even started. 41:56 That was on 2GB. 2GB had that broadcast of the America's Cup. 2GB's version was John Radler saying, Stand Up Australia, which people remember. 42:07 Lee Hatcher, I'm pretty sure, broke the news of the dismissal of the Whitlam government. There's a lot of things and we'll try and clip some of that for you together in the weeks ahead. We're talking cars very shortly and lots of the feedback I've had from you on the census. I do want in the weeks ahead because it's not that far away. Just ask some of the questions, questions about the detail of your house, how many empty bedrooms you've got, because they do look at that in terms of what's available. 42:36 your ancestry and where that comes into play. 42:40 So all of that and what you can and can't do and what you should and shouldn't do. So we will try and get that answer for you in the next couple of weeks as we always do so you're aware of exactly what you are doing. When you fill out that census. And I did mention earlier this young man, Lockie Kennedy, this brilliant sprinter. 42:56 And I had someone send me a note because they noted that he's in his early 20s, Lockie Kennedy, born in 2003. But he's born on November 4th. 43:07 And they sent me a list here. People born on November 4. You've got Tony Abbott. Not the same year. You've got Tony Abbott, former Prime Minister. Jeff Probst, who's the host and creator of Survivor. And then John Stanley. Oh, that's right. It's my birthday as well. 43:23 I share a birthday with the fastest ever Australian to run in the 100 metres. You'd be probably surprised, maybe not, that he's a little younger than me. But he's got that birthday, another little tick next to his name. Let's do this now at 10 minutes past nine. 43:46 And now on Nights with John Stanley. Drive. Drive. Drive. 43:56 Yes, of course, broadcaster, advader, editor here. Mr. Trent Nikolich joins us. He is a petrol head, but we've got to have my theme as well, so let's have it. We just like hearing it, don't we? We love it. We love it. 44:06 We love it. 44:11 I think we need to play it because I reckon it might be cancelled actually. 44:14 Eventually it will. We've got to enjoy it while we can. 44:17 Think about the subject matter. 44:18 Blind old guy driving. 44:21 We've got to enjoy it while we can. 44:22 131873 is our number here on this Wednesday night. We're going to talk cars. Sean Mackles joining us shortly from Costa Car. I like to call it tyre kicking to find out what your car might be worth. 44:35 Yep. 44:36 He knows. He knows. But car news, Trent. Yes. We're being told that 60% of the cars being sold will be coming from China, not that far away, into the 2030s. 44:50 I've been asked about this a lot today on radio, John. I've spoken to our affiliate stations around the country, Perth, Brisbane. I've spoken on radio in Adelaide. 44:59 It's a big concern, and I think it's warranted. 45:05 60% sounds like a lot, but when you look at the cut-through that Chinese manufacturers have already had, you'd be brave to tip against it, I would have thought, because... 45:17 As crazy as this might sound, the Chinese manufacturers that are already here are just the tip of the iceberg. And I've said this to you and your listeners before, that if you go to China or if you research the Chinese industry, the manufacturers that we've heard of are just... you know for every one that we've heard of there's 10 that we haven't so for every mg there's another 10 and then xpeng there's another 10 and byd there's another 10 and and they keep popping up so you know in the second most populous nation on earth they have the ability to sell an awful lot of cars to an awful lot of people um and i think it's it's well within reason to assume that 50 to 60 percent of new cars here will be built in china 46:00 There's a couple of issues. The first one, and when we've talked here, I remember when we first started doing this, not that many years ago, we had a couple of people say, well, Trent's never telling you that this car's no good, it's a complete lemon. And that's because the quality of cars has increased. We know going back 20, 25 years, there were lemons on the road. I drove a couple of them. They were lemons. But these days, the standard is much, much higher. So whatever car you get, it's going to be okay. 46:28 Yeah, look, this is a really fascinating one because there are even people within the automotive industry, commentators and writers and road testers, who go looking for a clickbait headline saying that those of us in the industry who say that there aren't really lemons anymore are... 46:47 you know, pandering to the industry. The reality is there aren't cars on the road. And I've said this to your listeners before, and I'll repeat it again here. There aren't cars on the road that are fundamentally dangerous in a mechanical sense, like once upon a time there were. There were cars back in the day that had awful brakes and awful steering and awful suspension. 47:08 And when you put them on a wet road, a dark road, all those sorts of things, you have problems. Where there are issues... mostly these days, especially safety issues, because if a car has a problem with its injectors or if the gearbox is problematic or if, you know, it has cheap shock absorbers on it, they fundamentally are not going to create the car... That will just plough into a brick wall and kill the occupants of the car. It's not dangerous functionality. Where the cars, a lot of these Challenger brands, don't yet get it right is all the electronic technology. 47:42 Things like lane keep assists and fatigue detections. Like you get in a car from the likes of a Subaru, and I'll tell you about them if we've got time that I've been driving recently. I've been driving the Subaru Trail Seeker, which is their electric Outback, and the Subaru Outback. You get in cars like those, the electric versions of those, they are really well refined. You get in another car from a Challenger brand that hasn't worked that stuff out yet, and two minutes after you drive out of your driveway, it's telling you you're distracted, you're tired, you need a break, take a break, you're drifting out of your lane, buzzes and chimes are going off everywhere. 48:15 Fundamentally, they're not... Mm-hmm. 48:33 Okay, so they're well made, though, aren't they? In the days, we know, for instance, with Japanese cars, initially, it didn't take long for the Japanese cars to suddenly really become the ant's pants, very well built. Toyota led the way on that. We saw it with Hyundai. When they first came in, there was like a sewing machine, the original Hyundai Accel. And then, very quickly, the South Korean brands. And we've seen the same thing happening with China. But you mentioned brands. I think BYD, I know. Leap Motor, I know. It's such a weird name. Yep. What else is there? 49:05 MG, Cherry. But that's only a fraction of them. Oh, yeah. Like I said, if you list all the Chinese brands that are here, and I always forget one of them when I rattle off the list, but if you list the Chinese brands that are here now, there's another 50 or 100 in China that you haven't heard of. And within a month, there'll be another 50. 49:20 But when you get in the car, it's got all the bells and whistles. We had someone last week, and I was trying to avoid reading it, saying... WISE particular, I think it might have been an MG or a BYD, which is cheaper than the RAV4, and the interior seems more luxurious. 49:35 Because I think what these new brands are doing is they're focusing very directly on the price that's on the sticker and putting in as much standard equipment as they can. 49:46 So to attract you to the car. And a lot of people say, if you look at a medium SUV and they say, I'm looking at a RAV4 or a CRV, or I'm looking at one from a Challenger brand, it's $10,000 cheaper and it's got more standard equipment. How do I not be attracted to that? And you say to people, look, if you're buying on a budget and it's only the budget that you're buying on, well, you have to consider it. 50:08 All right, so we know that China is our biggest trading partner. We're also organising our defence against it, but they're our biggest trading partner, keeping the economy going. So these cars, I'm sure the concern that many of our listeners who talk about this, the cars are computerised, they can be hacked. You've mentioned this before, and therefore they're concerned about how much information may be going into a computer in the Chinese car that could potentially be hacked or compromised. 50:36 So two parts to that. I've spoken to Stephen Fenwick about this and too many people, I'm the last person to believe in a conspiracy theory, but too many people that know enough about this sort of technology have said to me, absolutely, the car is collecting your data. Absolutely. Now, whether China as an entity wants to collate and study that data is a whole separate other issue. But the car does collect your data. Now, if you park that to one side, The GPS system in your car that's not Chinese, whether it's German or Japanese, it does it already. 51:11 Your mobile phone knows everything about you, where you are, where you go, what you do, how long you're there for, how much money you spend. Your computer probably knows almost as much about you. 51:21 And then also any electric car that has an app-based system and a connection to a network via 4 or 5G has all of that data in it as well. So I think there's a concern because it's China, as an entity, but just about any modern car or modern connected device has all that information on you. 51:40 Very interesting. It is. Let's take a break. Just before we go, because we're going to bring Sean in from Costa Car. We've got people who've got questions about cars they're looking at, cars they want to source. I'm going to ask you about the car on your T-shirt, actually, when Sean comes in. But one of our regulars here is talking about a RAV4. Now, of course, the new RAV4s have come in. So Dave, whether it's my recommendation or our recommendation, he's ordered a plug-in. Yes. RAV4 hybrids. So this is the XSE. So again, it's a front-wheel drive one, but it's one where, not like my hybrid, you need to charge it. 52:16 It goes 80, 100 k's potentially on the electric motor, then the petrol motor kicks in. 52:20 smart move from dave i reckon the rav4 plug-in hybrids a really good option uh i really do it's got up to about 120 kilometers from memory for the front wheel drive and a bit less for the all-wheel drive on on the electric charge uh he'll find as i have with the plug-in hybrids i've tested that monday to friday he won't use any petrol so all of his running around town will be purely electric and then if he wants to go further afield on the weekend he can 52:45 Okay. And at 19 past nine, before we bring Sean in and go to the break, I'm going to bring down the cone of honesty again. Okay. You were here last week and I threw you a bit of red meat because someone was saying- You like upsetting me. 52:56 What was the- You told me before this hour that you wouldn't upset me in this hour. 52:59 The person who sent us a note last week- Yes. And they raised the issue of the very, very big SUVs that are so wide- Yeah. That they don't think they should be allowed- US trucks, yeah. On the road in car parks. Now, the specific car they mentioned, I think was what? 53:13 What was it? It might have been a Ram 1500. 53:15 Something like that. And you told me when I asked you that you'd come in in some tiny thing. 53:23 I told you I was in a Subaru Outback. 53:24 What did you actually come in? What photo did I show you as I left the studio? 53:27 Tell me. It was a Ram 1500 parked in Maynard's spot downstairs. 53:31 And it was leaking across both... 53:33 Both car parks either side. 53:35 It was in between the lines, and you know it was. But it was a Ram 1500. 53:38 But it was very wide. It was wide. And it's one of the ones where you're on the road, and you must know there's a lot of people going, what the hell's that tank doing on the road here? 53:46 You know Maynard drives a little sports car. I sent him the photo of it in his spot and said, this is what a real man's car looks like in your spot. He wasn't happy. 53:54 No, of course not. 53:57 Very eccentric, that fellow. 54:00 20 past nine. We're coming back. We're talking cars with Sean Backel straight after this. 23 minutes past nine. Of course, Tuesday nights, we talk cars in this hour with my, well, our newly appointed motoring editor. He's a broadcaster and motoring editor, Trent Nikolic, and Sean Backel from Costa Car. We better have that intro. We can't not have that hit. Here we go. You got a fast car. Now on nights. 54:25 Take it fast. 54:28 Things Cars. Looking to buy or sell a car? Get trusted, independent advice for your next vehicle purchase at costacar.com.au. 54:49 You can do it, of course, week round with costacar.com.au, but get the personal service here. You can talk to Sean, 131873. It might be a car that you've had for a while, you're not sure what it's worth. You may have been offered a trade-in, and it could be, and we love this, you've got an exotic vehicle that you'd love to know whether it's worth a lot of money. We love those. 55:08 Sean, good evening. Evening, gentlemen. How are you both? Not too bad. 55:11 Do you know what happened to me after last week, John? Someone that I thought was a friend of mine said, I need some advice on what my car's worth. And I said, yeah, I can let you know. 55:19 And they said, no, I think I might talk to Sean. 55:22 And they didn't want to talk to me about it. That's why I said I thought they were a friend of mine. So I'll pass them on to Sean. He's the expert. But I'll have nothing to do with him again after that. 55:30 He's the expert because the truth is... He's gone through drive. He's gone through wheels. Now he's out. And when he was in drive, he'd go, I can help you with that. Just a moment. I'll go to my computer. Hey, Sean. 55:43 Come on. Be honest about it. You phone a friend. Exactly. Ring Sean. Yeah, exactly right. 55:48 Because once when you did shows like this, you would be sitting here and you'd be essentially bluffing. That's right. These days. Smoking it all. Or there were people in the day when they'd have big producing teams and they'd quickly wave their finger and the producing teams would get them the answer. I just remembered the answer to that. These days we just bang away. Just do it ourselves. We Google it ourselves. Yeah, that's right. Let's go to Jimmy, who's been waiting on, got a question for, I'm presuming it's for Sean. Hello, Jimmy. 56:17 Hey, guys, how are you going? 56:18 Good, mate. 56:21 Sean, I'm looking at a 2018-2019 compliance plan, F-150 platinum fixed division. 86,000 k's on the clock, but you're asking for 79,000. 56:34 What do you reckon? Sounds a bit rich, if I'm honest. 56:38 Oh, really? Yeah, look, those F-150s have been a little bit of a struggle for Ford, and there's been a lot of money put in the boot of them. So you probably want to try and get a deal on it again. Sorry, you said 60,000 Ks, 69,000 Ks? 86,000 Ks for 79,000. 56:58 I would have thought that that's early 70s, really. Late 60s, early 70s is probably what we want to be paying for it. 57:05 Yeah, yeah. 57:14 Oh, look, I think it does, but you've got to keep in mind, like, you're almost to 90,000 Ks now in that car. It's six years old. 57:23 You know, a new one in a LT, XLT, right, is sort of $115,000. Your Delta is not big enough, right, for a six-year-old car. So I would expect you probably want to be more like early 70s on that. 57:38 Go back with that. So you've spoken to the experts. 57:40 It's a good time to drive a hard bargain on it. 57:44 Look, one thing I would say to everyone, July has been a horrendous month. Talking to all the car dealers that I deal with, everyone's a long way off target. Everyone's chasing numbers. Now is the time to really kind of push on hard. 57:57 See how you go, Jimmy, and let us know. His line's a bit fuzzy because he's up on... Well, not that it matters. He's up on the far north coast of New South Wales. You're a bit jealous, aren't you? Yeah, Mr Magoo's thinking that that's why he sounds like he's a long way away. But anyway, I think we've got the message, and maybe that helps. And it's intriguing you're saying that, Sean, because... Discretionary income. Of course, people cut back on their coffees, whatever. But with cars, they think, well, I'll get another year out of this one because they're figuring that's where they're going to cut their budget. 58:26 Look, I don't know about cutting back on their coffees because the coffee shop that I go to is always busy. 58:32 Talking to people who are trading their cars at the moment, you know, their service, cars are over to service, there's warning lights on the car, tyres are a little bit off. You know, people are really kind of trying to stretch out the things that they can't see and touch, so to speak, you know. 58:48 Let me ask you both this one from Alan. What happens five years from now when the Chinese car I buy today now is still supported by a manufacturer that pulls out of Australia so there are no spare parts? 58:58 So that's the question. Someone asked us that last week. You go first, mate. 59:01 So by law, there is backup by law that basically the Australian government has put in place. I think actually after... Was it after GMH? Holden pulled out. Yeah, it was the Holden situation. 59:13 But, you know, there's... 59:16 You're not going to get your warranty work done, right? 59:18 No. And look, the thing is, there's absolutely no doubt that... And I've spoken to now five or six bosses of car companies in Australia who have all said that not all brands can survive. Mm-hmm. So there will be attrition. Now, to the point that Sean's making, you'd hope that the government backed you in as a consumer if a brand did decide to pack up and leave. But if a challenger brand has a crack at the Australian market and doesn't last more than two or three years and then disappears back to China, for argument's sake, there's a fair chance that unlike a Renault or a Fiat or the other brands that have shrunk, they'll be less likely to have that ongoing support. 60:00 But the bigger issue for somebody like Alan, and look, I've spoken to a couple of the Chinese brands that don't like it when I say this, but I'll keep saying it. Until they've got the runs on the board, I can't guarantee what a Chinese built car is going to look like when it's five years old with 150,000 Ks on it. 60:18 I just can't. Let me be the observer, the layperson, because I've seen flashy showrooms for BYD. Yeah, yeah. They're on the front of the Roosters jersey, and you've got Nick Politis, who I think gives it credibility. And he brought a Yang Wang. Credibility and heft, I think. So does that factor in? 60:35 I think it does, definitely. Yeah, it does. But they're also... I think BYD is five years ahead, I think, of some of the other ones. Yeah, BYD's one that'll be here for the long haul. Their product development is kind of five or six years ahead, right? Yeah, fair point. But like I was saying to someone today, if you look at a Geely, you know, Geely 25 years ago when I looked at one was no power steering, plastic that looked like it was out of a Coke bottle, you know, ugly as anything. And they're now really good-looking cars. I think... 61:04 The Australian market is quite unique. It is unusual to have so many brands across such a small volume. And it's been like that for 20 plus years, 20, 30 years. I don't think that's going to change. 61:18 But there are more brands that are going to come, right? And actually, I think the ones that are going to struggle the most are the legacy brands. 61:24 Especially if people are buying based on price. Absolutely. 61:27 Let's go to Paul, who's called in now with a question. 61:29 Hello, Paul. 61:31 Hi, Sean, just a question. We've got a 2021 Toyota Hilux SR diesel. 61:39 It's set up to go anywhere. Excellent condition. The query I have, it's only got 60,000 Ks on it. I don't know whether I should. I'm not driving it much. 61:53 It's parked up for... 61:55 80 percent of the year i don't know whether it's the right time to move it on now or just hang on to it it's sort of that so look it's it's certainly not going to depreciate hugely um and as toyota actually increases their price point every time they launch a new model it's probably going to help you um i suppose the question is really on you is could you do something better with you know 21 probably you know the best part of 45 to 50 grand you know it's whether you want that sitting in your driveway sort of not being used right so um you know a toyota i certainly wouldn't worry about it you know melting away like it's you know you've bought a great truck and they will go forever but you know could you use the money somewhere else i suppose is the question yeah all right yeah 62:38 Good on you, Paul. I hope that helps. 131873 is the number. Let's just go through some of these other questions. Nicholas is saying, I've just bought the new 2027. I'm assuming that you can buy it early. Would this be 2027 Mazda CX-90? A Zami SP diesel? It's on the boat. It'll be ready in two weeks. Thoughts? Are there issues? What do you think about that one? 62:59 He should have asked us before he bought it. I say this all the time. It's no good asking. It's on the boat now. No, it's a good thing. CX-90 is excellent. The only issue Mazda had with the CX-90 was it was too expensive. We told Mazda that when they launched it. They didn't agree with us, but they have reduced the price on it and put more standard features in it. When you're buying a Mazda, much like Sean just said to that listener there about Toyota, you're buying an established brand, a high-end Japanese brand as well, and they are... really well put together vehicles. 63:31 We're the only market in Australia that takes all of Mazda's SUVs. So we've got CX-3, 5, 7, 9, CX-30 and so on. 63:42 CX-90 is the big one and it feels like a really premium luxury SUV. It's a good thing. 63:48 So he'll be happy with it? Yeah, he'll love it. You think the price might have been... It doesn't matter. 63:51 They brought the price down. Yeah, they brought the price down to sharpen it up, which they needed to do. 63:55 Very good. All right. This is just a comment. 64:00 I like Valiance. My dad, Jim Selke, sold Valiance. The Slant 6 was an outstanding engine. The leaning tower of power. I followed these tracks with the awesome BMW Slant 6 S38. 64:11 Yeah, the new BMWs have got an inline 6 that sits on a slant, exactly like the old Valiant engines. They do. That's true, actually. 64:17 So the old Valiant, I had a 1968 Valiant. Would that have had a slanted engine or something? 64:22 It did have a slant six, a 225 cube slant six, yeah. It sort of was canted off to the side of the engine bay. And you must have Greek blood if you drove a Valiant. 64:29 Yeah, I have. And for those who have been around long enough, see, you mentioned earlier power steering. Yes. Because in those days, you had this big Valiant. 64:40 With a huge big steering wheel and no power steering. 64:42 And there's no power steering. So even, you know, I'm a pretty young fellow. I was a very athletic specimen. But doing a three-point turn. That explains why our arms are so big. It's extraordinary. Yeah, absolutely. Very hard. 64:55 You watch all the Greek listeners who message in now saying they have values. But everyone, all cars now would have power steering. Yeah, everything's got power steering. Most of them now have got electronic power steering. 65:04 So what doesn't have power steering on it? I can't think of one that doesn't. Actually, other than the Alpha 4C. The only one they can think of that doesn't have it. Alpha 4C. And it is really weird getting into that car, even the small it is, not have power assisted steering. Because you're just used to it. 65:18 A lot of questions for you, Sean. So we'll take a break. Voice is still there, I think, at the moment. We're talking cars. Don't forget, costacar.com.au. Sean Mackles here answering your questions. Trent Nikolic is here trying to stir the pot as well. 65:31 And it's 25 minutes to 10. 65:35 22 minutes to 10. We're talking cars here with Sean Mackle from costacar.com.au and Mr. Trent Nikolic. 65:42 Some of these text messages, I think, might be trying to get me into trouble. 65:47 I'll ask you this one, though. This is from Bruce. Bruce is saying he wouldn't buy a second-hand car that's done more than 10,000 kilometres per year. So that's the point he's making. 65:55 You know, look, I spoke to, just before you weigh in on this, Sean, I spoke to a mate of mine who's a mechanic, and he's worked on cars his whole life. 66:05 And I asked him that question, and he said to me, as a mechanic, I've seen cars that have done 200,000 kilometres, right, and they've been serviced every 5,000 or 10,000 kilometres, oil filters looked after, that are in better condition than the same model car that's done 50,000 k's and never been serviced. So I think sometimes we can get a bit caught up in the number on the odometer when the service history is just as important, isn't it? 66:30 I picked up a 300,000k van that was arguably the best thing I've driven all week smooth, powerful it just felt tight together because it had done the k's, it had actually been used and it had literally been serviced every 5,000k's and I would have taken that over a 10,000k car you get into them and they feel kind of restrained it's not what they're designed to do they're designed to sit on the highway and move at speed so I can understand where the listener's coming from, but I think it's a little bit more of a case of if it's done big Ks, has it got the service history to back it up? 67:08 And that's actually probably a better option than the car that's done fewer Ks. 67:12 I think I might have mentioned before, because my previous car was a Mazda 6 wagon, and I got it from John Newell in Sydney, and they had been traded in. 67:21 I think in a year and nine months it had done 60,000 Ks. But I was told that it was a person who was on the central coast of Sydney and was commuting to and from. And so it wasn't just stopping and starting in the city. It had been serviced. And I knew enough from you guys, having spent time with you guys, that that was probably okay. 67:41 And it was. It went well. I think that would have driven much better, like sitting at 100 kilometres an hour up and down the expressway, getting hot. Absolutely. 67:49 It's a better car. Yeah, absolutely. Just on the Valiants, it was a Hemi, apparently the Valiant. A Hemi six-cylinder, but that was in the more performance model. I don't think you were a performance model driver, John. You were more sedate. 68:00 But I'm getting feedback from others. Valiant with two large cushions on the rear parcel shelf. Yes, yes. Another person here, Greek Heritage, 66 VC Valiant with the Slant 6. VC was a great car. I had one of them. And... 68:12 Told you the Greeks would all be into it. And also, I'm not of Greek origin. My dad taught me to drive on a Valiant in the early 70s. But were your neighbours Greek and your dad saw the Valiant in your neighbour's house? 68:22 I reckon Annette's neighbours were Greek. 68:23 Well, not everyone driving Valiants were Greek. 68:27 Apparently they are, according to Trent. Yeah, I love it. All my Greek mates, they all agree with me. They all go, yeah, yeah, my parents had a Valiant. 68:33 It's called being in an echo chamber. Yeah. 68:36 19 to 10, Louise wants to know the value of a Mitsubishi Triton. It's 2019. 68:43 It's done, let me see, 90,000 k's. Not a lot of k's. Rhino roof rack, battery in the tray, considering buying a Subaru Outback. 68:52 Is there any more information, dual cab, single cab, auto, manual? There's a battery in the tray. Now, if Louise could give us more information. So you'd need a bit more on that one? Yeah, well... Like if it's a 1990K single cab, it's probably, you know, 15-odd grand. If it's a dual cab, it's probably 20 to 22. If it's a XSEED or a GSR, it's probably more like 23 to 25. So if we can just get some more information, I'll give you an accurate price. 69:17 And a Subaru Outback's a great thing, the new one. 69:19 If she decides to get an Outback, good thing. Now, a couple of weeks ago, it might have been two or three weeks ago, we had a lady call us from the Hunter Valley, and she was saying she'd been driving. It was a Honda Jazz, but she wanted to drive a Merc. This was what she wanted to do, and she was really very emotional about it. 69:36 Like an aspirational thing for her. 69:37 I think she just always wanted a Merc, right? She always wanted a Merc, but she had one in mind, and then you had a conversation with her off-air because you were a bit concerned about what she was going into. Yeah. 69:46 Yeah, look, she was looking at a 350 diesel, which was not going to be ideal for doing short running. 69:53 So I've seen her have a couple of options, which include extended warranty, more petrol orientated, right? So I think sometimes it's a case of you've got a great idea and there's no problem with that idea, but it's also about tailoring that idea to your needs, right? So if you're going to do 5,000 Ks a year, getting a big heavy six-cylinder diesel is not the car to do that with, right? You're better to go for a small four. 70:14 that's why you would have heard me say to listeners with new stuff as well John unless you do a lot of longer distance running a diesel is not necessarily the smartest thing for you to buy now just having a look here this is Nicholas it was an AP4 Safari Valiant wagon and yes it was a dual cab auto apparently that's the one Mitsubishi Triton she wants to sell a dual cab auto depending on the grade I'm going to go around the sort of 18 to 22 mark ok alright Very good. 70:44 131873. And look, I'm getting a lot of people telling me, the AP4 Valensavari wagon with push-button automatic. Yeah, push-button. 70:51 Had push-button on the dash, yeah. 70:53 So you didn't change, there was no gear stick? 70:55 No, that was an American thing as well. Yeah, Plymouth had them in America and I think Dodge maybe as well. Yeah, push-button, yeah. High-tech stuff. That's what I said. In the 60s, John, Valiance, Sean and I were talking in the ad break, Valiance were actually technologically more advanced cars than Fords and Holdens. They just didn't get the early foothold here that the other two brands had. Yeah. 71:14 And just on some of these as well, we've got, let me have a look down here. Oh, I better be Be careful. One of our listeners wants me to ask the guest to give us a two or three minute explanation of how power steering works. Well, it's just power assisted. 71:26 It depends on which kind of power steering it is. 71:30 Yeah, there's electronic power steering now and the old one is hydraulically assisted. The problem with explaining it is you go down a rabbit hole that puts people to sleep. 71:38 It's what he's trying to do. He's trying to ruin the show. 71:39 Trying to ruin the show, is he? Yeah. Basically, it just makes the steering easier. Full stop. 71:43 Next question. Yeah. I have trouble visualising John Stand is an athletic specimen. 71:47 Oh, he was. He was. Yeah, he was. You should have seen him in the gym. Just keep coming through. Yeah, he was an Australian Lou Ferrino in the 70s in the gym, weren't you? Yeah, that's not true. 71:57 Changing oil filters and oil is really a cheap and easy thing to do. My 83 Hilux is near 500,000 Ks. 72:05 Can I just say to everyone who's listening now, John, if you buy a brand new car, and I've done this with my mum's own car. She's on to the second version of this car now. If you buy a brand new car that has a service interval that's more than 10,000 kilometres... 72:18 Go to your dealer. So if it's 15,000 Ks, go to your dealer and ask them if they can do oil and filter at the 7,500 mark. Trust me, it makes a massive difference. 72:28 Because he does it himself. 72:29 And if you can do it yourself, do it yourself. It's oil and a filter. It's not expensive. It's not hard. You think I could do it? You could do it. Really? Yeah. I reckon you'd be ringing me halfway through saying, can you come and sort this out for me? 72:39 Quarter to 10. Now, you saw a Mazda 121 fun top on the road. 72:45 So can you explain what that is, what it looks like? It's one of those 80s cars. So remember the little boxy Mazda 121s before the jelly bean shape came in? Yeah. I was driving home from the show last week. And a guy drove past me. I reckon he was in his 60s, maybe early 70s. It was a sky blue. Fun top was like a sardine can retractable roof. 73:05 And it was when they had all those weird variants of cars, like they had a Nissan Pulsar Reebok. They had a Holden Barina Sports Girl. That's right. Remember? had all these weird random versions of cars and the Mazda 121 fun top um I put a photo of it on Instagram and people went crazy it's just it's a cool little car like I I found a photo online of what it looked like because the guy drove past me couldn't take a photo while I was driving but um yeah it's just a reminder of all these weird little cars that we drove and also a reminder that we didn't always buy big cars in Australia there were periods there through the 70s and the 80s when Aussies bought small cars 73:41 I'm just getting a note from one of our staff. There's apparently a giant four-wheel drive Land Rover downstairs has been parking in... 73:50 Hang on. Not in the CEO spot. It was in the management spot. 73:54 Well, best of luck with that tomorrow morning. We won't mention who it was, but I know who it was. You know who it was. 73:59 What time does the Money News start preparing? 7pm finishes at 8. 74:03 What time does he come in the next day? He might not be here tomorrow after that. Yeah, because, oh dear, his pictures have been taken. 74:09 All right, very good. 131873 is the number. This is just, look, I'll take a break. I've got a question about speedos. I'm most interested because once upon a time you could rewind the speedo manually. Sean's the man for that one. But, of course, now it's all computerised. I've got questions from listeners, so we've got a lot to do. And I also want to find out what that thing is on your T-shirt. So at 12 to 10. 74:34 Yes, we talk all things cars here on a Tuesday night. We've got Sean Mackle here from costacar.com.au. Is it Wednesday? It's Wednesday. 74:42 Don't make everybody panic. 74:43 I'm glad you said Wednesday. Yeah, because when I make a mistake on air, I get all these messages going, it's Wednesday, you peanut. Didn't I say the duck's on tomorrow? Yes, he's on tomorrow. Wednesday night. So it's Wednesday night. We talk cars on a Wednesday night with Sean Mackle from costacar.com.au. And he's not going to let me get away with anything, this man here, Trent Nickledge. 75:01 now that he's a member of our staff. 75:04 Can we go to Kerry, who's got a question for you, a serious one? Hello. 75:08 Yeah, good night. How are you, gentlemen? Good, good. What have you got? 75:11 I've got a Master CX-7. It's a 12-year-old, and it's done 97,000 Ks. It's in printing condition. It's just had an engine oil service done, and it's got new tyres. I just put new tyres on it. What do you think it might be worth? Is it a luxury or...? 75:29 Luxury or the... Just a standard 2.5 naturally aspirated engine and basic model, yeah. 75:37 Sort of probably retail is around the $12,000 to $13,000 mark. Wholesale is probably around the $7,000 or $8,000. 75:44 If I was to sell it privately, what do you reckon I should ask? 75:48 I think I'll start at $14,000, $15,000 and then sort of be prepared to come back. 75:54 Okay. All right. I'm surprised at that. That's good. Thanks very much. I'll try that. 75:58 Very good, mate. There you go. That's Kerry. He's calling us from North Queensland. We've got people listening to us everywhere. Everywhere. North Queensland tonight. Yeah, the app's great. 76:04 4BC. Now, I've had a lawyer friend of mine. 76:07 Uh-oh. What have I said that's libelous? No, no. A lawyer friend of mine and Dave, who's a bus driver, a regular correspondent. We love Dave. Both pointing out probably the flagship of those branded lasers. Oh, yeah. The Carla Zampatti Laser. 76:21 Carla Zampatti Laser. See, I said to Sean in the ad break, there's always ones I forget. I don't know why I remember Pulsar Reebok and Berina Sports Girl, but I always forget one. There you go, Carla Zampatti Laser. I'm sure there was a Ken Doan something or other as well, I'm sure. 76:36 Because Michael here is saying she gave an interview later in life where she rated it one of the achievements of which she was most proud. Wow. The Carla Zampatti Laser. Wow. If one turned up in good condition... 76:47 Oh, yeah. There would be people that would crawl out of the woodworks for them. Really? 76:52 Okay, very good. What about if you saw, I've been looking for a laser with those Ks, exactly perfect for me, but it's a Carla Zampatti one. I don't think people are going to care, right? Would a bloke drive it? I'm saying, was it okay at the time? Were blokes driving them? 77:07 For me, I think you're buying a piece of history, right? You're buying something that you grew up with and it formed part of your life. 77:14 I wear it as a badge of honour if I'm seen driving a car that's perceived to be a woman's car. I love that. I love that. It's like carrying a bag that looks like a handbag, and men look at you going, oh, look at you carrying a handbag. I love that stuff. Yeah, bring it on. Fantastic. 77:29 Now... Says the man who's getting into his Ram. LAUGHTER 77:33 Hey, Sean, you know what? We're going to test that. Yeah, you will. We're going to test him. Try and identify one that looks like an absolute cliche, and we'll get him to drive it around. 77:45 I'm going to show Sean my handbag when we leave the studio. Don't worry, I've got one today that was bought by a guy that I do business with. Ah, yes, a pink Cayman. Oh, that's fantastic. 77:52 Yes, excellent. See, I'd drive that. 77:55 Ian says he's a car dealer, says the Speedo shouldn't be to be on an end or agreeing. He's seen 300,000 K cars in perfect mechanical condition because people have taken care of it. People often ask, is it a one over car? I say to them, would you rather it be owned by three careful owners, but one bad one. 78:13 One point that Ian does raise right, it's impossible in Australia to actually tell the number of owners. 78:17 That's true, isn't it? 78:18 Right, so there is nowhere. So in New Zealand, you can go to a registrar and it has every single owner, name and details, right? Right. Here with privacy laws, you can't actually tell. So any car dealer who says to you, 100% it's a one-owner car, unless they've traded the car from the person's name and the book. Right. 78:36 How do you actually know? 78:36 How would you know? Most interesting. Look, Michael from Razorback's got a 1979 Valiant Regal 318 V8. Great looking car. Regularly get pulled in for the RBT by police. Yeah, just have a look at it. I just want to have a look. 78:48 Have a look at it. Yeah, that's happened to me before. 318 was a good engine. 78:51 And he's not Greek. And a lot of Italians drive the Valiants as well. 78:53 I bet you someone Greek has owned that car before him. 78:56 Yeah, but a lot of Italians... Yeah, Italians did too. And just on the conversation about Chinese cars, and there was an article earlier this week, and in fact there have been a series of articles about privacy gaps and EVs and the capacity for them to be hacked. It's not a conspiracy theory. There's a fair bit of... 79:15 Very, very robust evidence on that, that we do need to take note of. But I think Trent's point, we've given away all our privacy anyway. Absolutely. It does make some sense. It's not just Chinese cars. It's all of them. It's all cars. That's right. Daryl's saying Ken Dane did some art pieces with the BMW 3 Series. 79:31 They did a series of art cars, BMW. Yeah, they did. 79:35 And look, we've got 60 seconds left. You come in with a T-shirt with a car. What's the car on? Do you know what that is, Sean? The car he's got on his T-shirt? What is it? 79:45 It's a Nissan. Yep. 79:47 Actually, there's two different – there's the New Zealand version and then the Australian version. 79:51 We called it a Gazelle in Australia. It was called an S12 Sylvia around the world. Mine was a 1984. I had one. A mate of mine bought me this T-shirt, and I said, I can't wear this while I'm driving the car. 80:01 I think you can. You absolutely can. Well, I sold the car, and then I started wearing it. Okay. I would have worn the T-shirt, right? People would have seen you pull it through the car and then seen the T-shirt and go, I know what this guy's about. Definitely driving a man's car. 80:12 Look at this tragic driving an old Japanese car. He's a glutton for punishment. Unbelievable. Well, can I be fair? It worked. Yeah, it did work. Everything worked on it. 80:20 If you've got any queries at all, costacar.com.au week round. You can do it. Any time. Send all the information in. The more information you send to Sean, the better. We have a lot of fun here on a Wednesday night. So you can talk about all those things. 80:34 And if you think you're a friend of mine and you go to Sean, you're dead to me. As I said earlier. Actually, I've got a couple of friends of yours. Very partnershipy. 80:40 I've got a... I've got a couple of friends of yours who are here 10 in that case. Yeah, that's right. Thank you both. Thank you. That's cars for tonight at three minutes to 10. 80:50 We have the news coming up shortly. Then we've got the brain game and we've got Peter Ford with his bumper entertainment report in the next hour here on this Wednesday. But news is next. 81:07 Now it's back to John Stanley, right across Australia. 81:30 Good morning, everyone. Welcome along. It is just after 10 o'clock here on this Wednesday night. We're doing entertainment in this hour. Peter Ford will have a bumper entertainment report, as he always does. We'll keep across any breaking news on the other side of the world. Thank you for all the feedback we've had during what I found a very, very entertaining and informative episode. 81:52 Car Hour. We've had a lot of feedback. There was a Golf GTI Pirelli. These are branded cars. And there was a Greg Norman International Statesman. So lots of different cars where they put branding on the car. 82:05 And I guess once they became used cars, you had to put up with it unless you wanted to get it rebranded or repainted so thank you for all of that the the Ken Doan pieces that were done with the BMW 3 series so and as Sean was saying if you've got one in good condition if it's the right one it could be worth a fair bit also Susan just sent us a note about a 2022 GLE Merc which she's trying to sell um it's a diesel and she's she's trying to sell it so look what we've had is we'll put sean in touch with her because sean can do this off air so when we do this on a wednesday night you can you can call sean you can text sean and if more detail is needed he can do it for you off air and the good beauty of costa car is that he gets people who want to buy cars or sell cars, and so he can often put people together, like a matchmaker. 82:59 So that has happened with a couple of our listeners, so hopefully he can help Susan as well. 131873 is the number, and I'm taking a note of some of your feedback also on these consistent messages we get about cars that may have very complex computer systems. 83:17 Chinese cars, the capacity of those to be hacked or taken control of, and we might do a bit more on that in the week ahead. 131873 is the number. Ten minutes past ten is the time right now. 83:29 Now it's time for John Stanley's Brain Game. 83:37 Call now, 131873. 83:41 Yes, now tonight we've got 2GB 4BC price packed with lots of goodies contained in there. Plus you get the John Stanley Mr Magoo mug if you can answer the question. I was just having a look at birthdays today. It is the birthday of the great... entertainment entrepreneur in this country, Kevin Jacobson. 84:02 Now, Kevin Jacobson has had just a wonderful, wonderful history and a lot of hits. You've got to put yourself on the line when you stage something and it becomes a hit. So in 2004, so I guess relatively late in life, Kevin Jacobson, who'd had a lot of big hits, he took a punt on a 1980s movie musical and which was being turned into a musical on stage he debuted at the theatre royal in sydney and probably expected it to do well but not as well as it did because it became an international sensation so all you need to do is tell me the name of the movie that was then turned into this spectacularly successful stage musical More than 20 years ago, all driven by Kevin Jacobson, who's having a birthday. 84:54 Well, you just give me the name of the movie. First person to call through with the answer I'm looking for, which is the correct answer. You'll win the prize. You could have the time of your life as well. 85:04 Ring through 131873 at 11 minutes past 10 right now. Yes, at 12 minutes past 10, what was the name of that musical? Very, very famous movie musical was then turned into a stage musical that was a spectacular success, premiered in Sydney and then became a success all over the world. What was the name of it? Let's see. Hello, John. 85:26 Yeah, that was Dirty Dancing. Dirty Dancing, it was. When you think of the music and Dirty Dancing, you wonder why it wasn't done earlier, but it was a big success, of course, for his company and a very big success right around the world. So you hang on, John. You are our winner. You've got yourself the 2GB 4BC prize back with lots of goodies in there. Plus, you're going to get the John Stanley Mr Magoo mug as well. I've got someone here saying we'd have a John Stanley brand RAV4. 85:53 It would have roof racks, handrails to help you get in and out and be towing a mobility scooter. That's from Craig from Camden. Thank you very much, Craig. We'll add that to the many messages I get from people. 86:03 It'll be part of my legal action. I might take down the track over comments about age and the rest of it. 131 873 is the number. I did also get a message earlier. We'll do tomorrow's headlines in an hour from now. And one of our publications tomorrow, this is the Australian newspaper, has some stories which are very disturbing from inside Iran, the treatment of protesters, particularly young kids as part of the crackdown there. One of our listeners sent me a note, and I try and acknowledge all of your messages, saying that it's nowhere near the numbers that are coming out of Iran. 86:39 that there is a propaganda battle. Well, there's certainly a propaganda battle back and forth over all of that. But I think there's pretty comprehensive evidence that that regime treats most of its people pretty poorly. So we'll talk about that in an hour from now, but you're taking issue with that. Thank you. I try and acknowledge all the feedback. 86:57 At 14 minutes past 10, we've got a treat because a lot of you have asked for a certain thing from one of the late presenters on nighttime radio, and I found some absolute rippers today. So I'm going to play them for you in just a moment. So strap in for that at 14 past 10. 87:15 17 minutes past 10 is the time. It is a Wednesday night. Again, I apologise because I've got something in my throat or chest or whatever it is, and I'm going to get rid of it. But I'm battling my way through here tonight, and that's why I might sound a little bit scratchy. 131873 is the number. Now, Frank's Treasure Trove is not with us tonight, but I should remind you the message we have, because Frank's not here, but the message we have is that if you've got old tapes, old cassettes, old reel-to-reel, whatever you might have, You do need to make sure that you digitise it, look after it, because the longer it stays, particularly the old cassette tapes, they can degrade. 87:50 VHS tapes, film, can degrade. 87:54 And the longer you leave it, the more chance there is of you losing whatever images or sounds are on there. And thanks again to the many people who've sent us stuff that you've kept, and we've been digitising it here and using it as part of our segment here. Now, Frank does this himself. He digitises. There are plenty of people who do it. It is worth thinking about, and it's a message that's worth repeating. He's not with us tonight, but I did have, it was, I think, Monday night, maybe, a message from somebody that was saying that they'd actually pay to have a collection of a whole range of old Stan Zemanik programs. 88:33 Now, I'm not sure how much of the late great Stan Zemanik's work has been completely digitised, but there was a DVD or a CD put out. It was a CD, I think, of some of the wackiest callers that he had. 88:48 So we did find that today. 88:51 I'm hoping we're able to put this to air. I'm pretty sure it is. This was the wild stuff that used to happen at night. Some of the names you're about to hear referenced are people who I know you've wanted to hear. Stan would encourage people to ring him and abuse him, and he'd abuse them back, and it was very, very entertaining. So this first one, this is a listener who rang him with a poem. It's quite a well-structured poem, virtually describing his show. So let's have a listen to this one. 89:19 Stan, I've written a poem about you. Oh, okay. Right on. Away you go. Stan, Stan, the radio man. He can get up your nostrils like nobody can. When the whingers want to talk about their strife, he cuts them off and says, go get a life. When the dull bludgers ring in, he tells them to shut their whining gob, get off their arse, pick themselves up, go out and get a bloody job. When the oxygen thieves phone to try to stir him up, he gives them a good serve and after that he just hangs up. When Michael rings in, you know you're in for some fun. He's as mad as a meat axe, but he's not the only one. Cos when Bruce the Goose gets on the line, all I can say is, I'm glad he's not mine. 89:53 When Delita rings in, you can go for a walk. She never says much, but God, she can talk. When the social activists ring up, the invectives fly free. Stands a wizard with words and has great repartee. Especially when dear little Kylie gets on, you just have to ask, where's democracy gone? When Dorothy phones in a usual way, you know word for word what she's going to say. 90:14 Oh, Stan, dear Stan, I'm in a most terrible plight. 90:18 I'm up here on the Gold Coast and I've missed your voice every night. I'm here with my sick daughter and I don't know what to do. I can't wait to get back because I'm just so fond of you. When the demonstrators get the guts to get on the line, he mows them all down just one at a time. When Costa rings up, he causes a sensation with his great Elvis impersonation. When the racers string in with their hateful invectum, He tells them to insert it into their rectum. 90:45 Yeah, look, that's a sample. That's a beautifully written poem. And he does make a reference there to Costa. Costa used to... Well, Costa ran a pizza. It was the Elvis Pizzeria. And Costa could do a fantastic impersonation of Elvis. 91:00 We'd love to know where all these people are now because it's a very, very well-written poem. It references many, many names. But the name for many of it that stands out was Bruce... who Stan called Bruce the Goose. Bruce would tee off on Stan. They'd go back and forth. Bruce is no longer with us. And many who know the story, and I know it, that despite what you might hear on air, Stan actually did a lot to help Bruce privately behind the scenes. But on air, when you heard Bruce come on, you thought, oh, this is going to be good. 91:30 So this is a few minutes of the famous Bruce the Goose on the Stan Zemanik Show. Bruce, hello. 91:37 Hello. Instead of worrying about judges judging this and that and everybody, I'd like to see special judges assembled to judge incompetent disc jockeys such as yourself. 91:47 Oh, that's not very nice, Bruce. 91:48 Because you're a second-rate disc jockey, you know that. There's no getting away from it. And there's a few other incompetent... second-rate disc jockey, or we used to call them ham actors in our times, ham actors. And who are they, Bruce? You're a B-grader. 92:02 Yeah, who are they? 92:03 Well, you're number one B-grader, second-rate disc jockey. You know, you're incompetent. There's far superior young blokes around that do a very good job. You're just not fit to be in public broadcasting. 92:16 Well, I have to say, Bruce, that I'm deeply hurt by the whole thing. I mean, you know. 92:19 That's good to see. I'm very glad. 92:21 Well, no, I am. I'm deeply hurt by what you have to say. I mean, you've cut me right to the quick. 92:24 I hope you're running now when you die. 92:26 I beg your pardon? 92:27 I hope you're running now and I'll put the Pope's curse on you for your evil doings over the last few years. 92:32 Why would you want me to rot in hell, Bruce? 92:33 Well, I want you to rot in hell for being an evil man. 92:36 Why am I evil? 92:37 I call on God to put his curse on you, Stan Zamanik of 2UE Radio Sydney. And that curse, I hope, will bring you to your senses and learn to talk to people in a civilised manner like some of those cardinals over in Rome they were doing right at this bloody moment. 92:52 And just like you're doing with me now. 92:53 You deserve to be punished. You deserve to be punished by God, not by me. And you will be punished. I've been an evil man. 92:59 And why am I evil, Bruce? 93:01 You'll find out in time. Well, no, you tell me. 93:04 You tell me. Why do you think I'm evil, Bruce? Well, you answer that to God. Well, no, tell me, Bruce, why do you think I'm evil? 93:09 Well, you tell God that. Ask him, say, why am I evil? 93:12 Well, okay, I'm asking you. You're the one that's sort of saying that I'm evil. God's not saying, God's not saying, God's not saying, you clown, that I'm evil. You're the one, you buffhead, you dickhead, you low-life scumbag. You're the one that... 93:27 I hope you die in hell, stickbag. 93:30 Goodness gracious, Bruce. 93:31 You've got the stiggetest face I've ever hurt. 93:32 Talk about hurt. 93:33 I hope you run in hell, stinkface. And I hope God punishes you on the bloody time when your time comes. Your number will be up in time and God will judge you for being an evil man. 93:44 Evil. And God will also judge you, Bruce, for some of the things you've said to me tonight which are just absolutely despicable. 93:50 I'm saying things that God will say to you. He'll put you down for being an evil and disgusting man. 93:56 So I'll go back to my original question. What have I done that you consider to be evil? 94:02 Well, you go anywhere and... 94:05 and kneel in a church and pray for the rotten sins you've committed throughout your life, the way you've humiliated, abused, and God knows what you haven't done on that radio station that you were talking on right at this moment, the filth that's come out of your mouth towards your fellow human beings. You deserve to be punished by God, and you will be. 94:25 And what about you, Bruce? Will you be punished as well? 94:27 No, I will not. I'll live a reasonable life, and I'll die simply. and I'll die in the Catholic Church where I was married. I'll be married 25 years on Anzac Day, and I hope I have a few more left at least. And I hope people like you get bloody judged before your time's up. 94:43 All right, well, there's a sample of the kind of banter that would go on. And again, in the context that behind the scenes, Stan did a lot for Bruce. The theatre of the show was quite different to the reality. So there's a couple of others I've got here as well, which will bring you shortly a couple of other names. I'm just having a listen to this. 95:05 And some of them are fascinating and they do give you a sense of the time as well. At 25 and a half minutes past 10, someone sent me a note here saying the 100th year, because as I've said before, we've all gone through different birthdays. 4BC's had a 95th, 2CC's had a 50th, 2GB's about to have its 100th next month, asking how many owners. I might go through that. We might do that with Kel tomorrow night, but I know Fairfax, Fairfax with the Fairfax newspapers and Channel 7, they owned it for a long time, leading up to 1987. 95:37 An outfit from Queensland called Sonance And there was a fellow who, well, I think he was being talked about at the time as being part of the White Shoe Brigade, and I think he arrived at the building wearing white shoes. I mean, why would you do that? And then there was the Wesley Mission, John Singleton, Fairfax and Nine, and now, of course, Tap Media, the Laundie family. So that's a little summary. We might try and bring you more of that. Of course, we might do it with Kel tomorrow night because I think he's a walking encyclopedia on all of that stuff, apart from language as well. 96:09 1-3-1-8-7-3 is our number. 0-4-6-0-8-7-3-8-7-3. 26 past 10. 96:17 Just gone 10.30 here on Wednesday. We'll do tomorrow's headlines in about 35 minutes, but this ongoing story about this Point Piper mansion, the dinner, the Prime Minister there, the questions about who owned it, who was there, how much was donated, much of that story has been coming out through the rear window column. of the Financial Review. And I've just had a quick look because they posted a story a couple of hours ago with more details. This is relating to Daniel Andrews. So I'll share that with you when we do tomorrow's headlines. But you can imagine at the upper echelons of the Labor Party, they probably go to the Financial Review and they re-window column every day going, no, not more. 96:54 in the same way that Jacinta Allen was going to the Age newspaper, of course, with Nick McKenzie writing all the stories about the big build and the CFMEU corruption and going, don't tell me there's more. So I'll have all of that for you in about 35 minutes. Dave is telling me the full moon is tomorrow night. 97:15 I used to talk to Stan, the late Stan Zemanik, about the full moon, because I don't think there's any documentary or any studies that have been done that prove people go a little bit crazy on full moons, except you need to listen to Stan's show on the night of a full moon, and it became... 97:35 very very wild so just continuing because a lot of you asked for this so i found a couple of highlights of him and some of the people that used to call him this is someone who rang and what he'd often do is he the person would abuse him and they'd be waiting for him to hit back you could hear this person getting increasingly frustrated because stan was just sitting there saying nothing and so that was part of what he'd do so have a listen michael hello 97:59 Well, well, well, if it ain't the blackhead of nighttime radio, you are nothing but the biggest piece of Trailer Park trash I've ever seen in God's Green Earth life. Your arse is bigger than the bloody Manhattan frickin' train that I've ever seen in my God's Green Earth life. You are disgusting, despicable, pathetic. You're nothing but a booted-up, egg-sucking, gunner-trash of God-grit of hell. You sleep with the Liberal Party. You don't love the Labour Party. You sit there and you carry on like a piece of crap that you are. 98:32 You fool, you freak. You are nothing but a geek. And I wonder, what the hell are you talking about, you fat freak from hell? You're nothing but a dung beetle. A dung beetle. a dung beetle that I've ever seen in my life. You're nothing but a soldier, a soldier of missionary's proportions that you never have a damn sane thing to say in your life because you've always defamed the words of all good Tasmanians by calling them two-headed, stressed-out freaks. 99:05 The only stressed-out thing that you've got in your life is the farts from hell from your underpants that you exploit and you... 99:15 of your underpants, you freak of hell. 99:19 What have you got to say about that, you fat freak? 99:22 I always wondered where my cousin was, and now I found him. Oh, well, that's pathetic, isn't it? Fabulous. 99:29 You can't even come up with anything better than that, can you? 99:31 No, I can't. I'm just flabbergasted. 99:34 Flabbergasted? You're more flabbergasted than the farts of what Russ Hinn said at the race course one time, my friend. You can't even come up with anything better than that. 99:43 No. 99:45 Oh, no. 99:45 But it's so good that you called. 99:47 Oh, well, it's so good I called because I can inflate my spleen towards you, my friend. Where have you been? 99:55 Just have a look outside towards the planet of Mars in the east. 100:00 I thought it'd be the planet of Uranus. 100:01 Your head's probably up there. 100:04 Yeah, so look, you'd hear the bloke getting increasingly frustrated because Stan's just saying nothing and the bloke was trying to wind him up. 100:15 Very, very funny. Look, I've just got one more as a sample of this. And in the weeks ahead, because there's some... Look, there's entertainment interviews. There's some songs as well. We've played all of those. But these are the ones that I think were the bread and butter of the show. You could hear him handling these people who were trying to rile him and he just kept his calm. This is the last one we've got for tonight. 100:35 G'day there, Stan. How are you, mate? Very good, Miles. Not trying to be offensive, but what you said about heavy metal bands is offensive because not all heavy metal bands are numb-nutted idiots. 100:46 They are. They're all numb-nuts. 100:47 Take Metallica, for example. 100:49 Oh, one of the great bands of all time. 100:51 They're a heavy metal band. 100:52 Heavy metal bands play music for morons, and morons listen to heavy metal bands. 100:58 Listen to a lot of the music, the guitar from Metallica. You listen to it. It's very technical. 101:04 Oh, it's really technical. 101:06 Okay, you don't like heavy metal, but back in the 60s, what did they all think of Elvis before he got big? 101:11 Mate, that wasn't heavy metal music. That was just good old-fashioned rock and roll, and we loved it. 101:18 Every parent. What did your parents say? 101:19 My parents, they loved it as well. They said, son, we're going to go out and buy you an Elvis Presley suit. 101:26 Oh, come on. 101:27 And that's what I got. That's what I got for my 12th birthday, an Elvis Presley suit. 101:32 I could just see it too. Mate, it was fabulous. 101:34 No, no, it wasn't Jesus Christ. It was Stan Zamanik. Yeah, so there it is. Look, a lot of you asked for that. So we've had a lot of requests for that kind of thing. So we pulled that together tonight. Some of it's quite wild and quite abusive. But if you just don't say anything, they go crazy. And I wonder whether that was actually a full moon. So that's what we've got for nostalgia here for you tonight. And don't forget, if you've got a request, we do it on a Wednesday. If you've got a request for something, particularly in the weeks ahead as we mark the 100th anniversary of 2GB in Sydney, I'd like to find that bit of John Howard appearing on radio in a quiz show. 102:13 We might get that one for next week and a few others as well. At 24.5 minutes to 11 now. 21 to 11, Tony's with us now. Tony, good evening. 102:23 Good evening, John. John, I just wanted to give you a quick call. I actually fell in love with the radio all because of Stan when I was really young. Me and my mates, we used to listen to Stan all the time. And I'll have to admit it, we did ring up a number of times making a few bogus calls. 102:39 And part of the fun was to abuse him and get the response. 102:46 We didn't abuse him, John. We just, what we would do is we'd, whatever topic they were talking about at the time, we'd just basically try and get on there. 102:53 Oh, would you? Okay. 102:57 Keeping talking as long as possible. Out of all our mates from young, the person that could keep him talking the longest used to get a bit of a prize. Oh, right. Okay. Very good. Long story short, John. Very good. A few years after that, John, I just couldn't get enough of Stan. I was watching him on Beauty and the Beast. Everywhere he was, I used to watch or listen to him. And then a few years later, I was working as a courier, one of my first jobs. 103:19 Yep. 103:19 I had to pick up this job, and I had to go to this, on a little screen, I come up, and it said the name S Zemanik. It was actually one of his offices. 103:27 Wow. 103:28 In the studio, I had to pick up his laptop and take it to an electronics place to get fixed. Very good. Surprise, surprise, I could see him through the glass, and he came out, and I shook his hand when I met him on that day, John. So it was quite... No. Quite a good time. 103:42 He's sorely missed. Look, thank you for doing that, mate. And that's why people used to feel like they were part of a community with his show, and that's why I know some of those were pretty wild, but that was the flavour of what he used to do, particularly on nights when it was a full moon. Thank you very much for that. 20 minutes to 11 now. 104:05 Now on Knight's The Entertainment Report with Peter Ford. 104:10 Every Wednesday night we speak with Australia's leading entertainment reporter, Peter Ford. Pete, good evening once again. Good evening to you, John. Now, Jared Leto, this is a very big star, movie star and music star, and this is a major investigation. What's the story we're talking about here? 104:27 Yeah, so... You're right. He's a very interesting character in that he does have these kind of dual careers. He is a very successful actor. I guess he's kind of big Hollywood. 104:39 One was Dallas Buyers Club. He was very good in that. But of course, he's banned his five seconds of summer and they are due here in October, which I guess adds to this story. So what has happened in the last few hours, the BBC have gone with a big investigation. Obviously, it's been months in the making and they've spoken to 10 women. Four of them are claiming that he is guilty of sexual misconduct and sexual criminal behaviour. They were all underage at the time. 105:10 Some of them are saying he made explicit and dirty phone calls to them. So, you know, kind of put that to one side. But there are four women who actually said that they had sexual contact with him when they were 14, 15 years old. 105:24 So what do you do about this? It's not the first time, I might add, that there have been allegations aired about him. But because this is the BBC and because they assigned a number of journalists and producers to work on the story, that kind of has a lot more oomph. So it'll be very interesting to see if there are calls for his working visa to come to Australia with the band in October is in any way under doubt. Of course, everybody is innocent till they're proved guilty. 105:55 And once again, we've kind of been through this in various forms in recent years. People will say, you know, why didn't they go to the police first? Why are they going to the media? All of those very obvious questions. But when there are 10 people... 106:09 uh it kind of does make you think wow this does seem to be a pattern of behavior that is being alleged okay so we'll see and again um you have a look at a very very big body of work tv and the movies and as a musician and that band would be very big people would have already bought their tickets organized what they're going to do so that might be a bit of a headache for the federal government 106:30 Yeah, I think, and for the tour promoters as well. But I don't know whether the visas to come here would already be in place or not, but I'm sure there will be calls to look at it. 106:40 Now, I was actually at a spotty night because I was watching a bit of sport and, of course, the Commonwealth Games and the Heroics overnight, and so I'm tuning in there to sunrise and the swimming's coming on, and then I saw them announce that Kyle Sanderlands, very hard to avoid references to Kyle Sanderlands these days around the media, but they said he was meant to be on the show. He called in because he had a bug, and they said, well, get him on when we can. So it was pretty... It was pretty general. I was wondering, what's the story here? 107:11 What is the story? 107:12 This was kind of his TV exclusive that was to be on Sunrise this morning. And of course, he's in the business now of hyping up his new presentation, which drops on August 10. You can already sign up for it. You can watch the doco that he's put together that I actually think is very good. 107:30 But I'm surprised that he called in sick from sunrise. I mean, take him on his word. It's legit because now this is his own show. I mean, this is his own baby. He's got to make this work and he needs to get tens of thousands of people handing over their credit card details to make this work financially. Very different to calling in when you are an employee of a radio network. You call in sick then. I don't know what the arrangements were, whether he got docked or paid or what. But it's a very different mindset. 108:00 So I would assume that he must be generally crook. I don't think he would miss the chance to go on Sunrise and hype it up. And I'm sure they will take him back when he's feeling better. But it's bad form. 108:14 And, you know, I'll be fascinated to see how the next few weeks play out. uh you know there's no doubt when it launches there'll be a lot of publicity around it on the day it launches there already is a lot of advanced publicity but it's one thing to create hype and get articles written about you it's another thing to get people to take out their credit card details and say yeah i'll give you a hundred bucks yeah he says he's got many thousands already 108:40 Yeah, I mean, it gets... Well, £10,000 still leaves you well short of what it was earning on the radio there. Earlier tonight, we were talking about all of this, and I just jumped on the Telegraph in Sydney, and I assume you might have... It wouldn't be the same, of course, of the Courier-Mail. Telegraph in Sydney, you open up the website, first story, just ring her, bro. Crow told Kyle to call Jackie Owen make up, and then the next thing is a 52-minute video interview, as unfiltered lawyers would allow... And I'm just thinking that creates obviously a lot of conversation. 109:12 But if you've got 52 minutes of him there and then a big story above it with lots of pictures, people are thinking, well, I'm getting enough of it. I don't need to pay for it. There comes a point where you can overdo the publicity, doesn't it? 109:24 Well, I agree. Absolutely. And look, I don't think there's a hope in hell of Jackie and he getting back together. But I think the maths that they've done is based on him getting 100,000 people. Now, that would give him $10 million, you know, for his various expenses and the people he's employed. let's say goodbye to a million it still leaves him with nine million which is sort of in the vicinity of what he was earning so you know good times if he can make it work i mean he literally has the chance to create media history in this country if he could if he actually can do this and make it work financially 110:01 What do you think? There's a bit of commentary about the way he's gone about it compared to Karl Stefanovic. And there have been some numbers crunched, I know, on the news.com.au website suggesting that based on drops in YouTube, the number of people who've watched his YouTube videos because they've been gradually tricking down, how much money you get from the number of people watching YouTube videos, that he isn't earning all that much and that perhaps he hasn't handled this as well as Karl Kyle has. Is it too early to say? Because obviously a lot of this stuff is guesswork. 110:35 Yeah. Well, I mean, Kyle's working on a different premise. And I think Kyle is offering a very good presentation. I think he's jumping on stories as they break. He did some great work yesterday covering what was happening in Victoria. But his idea obviously is to get advertisers on board and and they pay the money. Now, that, of course, can be problematic. As we know, you've got lobby groups who want to go after Carl and Kyle. Not a problem for Kyle anymore, but it still could be a problem for Kyle. 111:04 And he needs to get people who are going to fork out a lot of money, because I think at the moment, he's actually putting quite a lot of money into his podcast. I don't know what revenue there is coming in, but he's employing people. He's flying around and setting up little mini OBs to do these interviews. So... he's putting the time the effort and the money into it and oh look it it will be very fascinating to watch and we won't have the answer next month or the month after it'll be probably 12 months before you can look at these two people carl and kyle who were up until recently the highest paid people in their respective space tv and radio now here they are going out on their own creating a new territory Can they make that work financially? 111:50 I wouldn't want to tip it, but I'll be fascinated to see the outcome. 111:55 I wanted to raise it with you because I've seen it and then you see, you know how these things work. Someone does the numbers and says, oh, he's not making any money out of this. Even potentially hundreds of dollars or numbers that were there on that website. And then I see it popping up on social media, people that don't like him saying, aha, I told you so. I'm thinking, this has only been going for a few weeks. So it's very, very early. And as you say, let's give it 12 months, then we can work out what's happened there. 112:21 Well, if they can do it, there'll be other people thinking, hang on, I might give this a shot as well. It could change the game, or they could both fall flat on their face. 112:30 Now, of course, he left the Today Show. Samantha Armitage has been there on the Today Show. Reviews, I've seen, are very good. Mike Willissey Jr.'s next to her. He's obviously not as charismatic and lively as she is, but what did you make of what you've seen there? 112:45 well samantha's samantha you know and and not much has changed not that it needed to i think she is uh i think she's very good uh she is very polarizing though i know people who cannot bear the sight of it but some of our greatest tv talents have had that kind of reaction from people but you obviously need to have more people loving you than hating you the ratings for the first couple of days have really shown nothing of great interest. But to be fair, obviously, the Commonwealth Games are on at the moment. 113:16 That is helping sunrise in the morning. So it's not really, I don't think, a proper testing ground in terms of ratings. I don't think Sam and Mike Willissey Jr. together as a duo are offering very much. I wouldn't be pursuing that. I was very surprised by the reports that She refused to work with Joel Dry. A lot of people who I know know him thought he would actually be quite a good match for her. 113:44 So look, they need to obviously try out various people and opportunities that might come along and You can throw really good people together and you just hope and think there's going to be magic. And sometimes there isn't. And I'm certainly not seeing any magic on the Today Show. Oh, I've got to declare here, by the way, I do appear on Sunrise and I get paid to do that. But I certainly try to be objective as I possibly can. I think the Today Show's biggest problem, actually, and I think for a long time, it's actually been behind the scenes, not on camera. 114:14 Yeah, look, often these things, you know yourself over the years, you can cherry pick them through the years. Radio and TV, people get thrown into jobs almost as stop gaps and they work. So sometimes the best things can happen by accident. Good luck to them trying to work out what to do there. Let's move to Tom Cruise because Suri Cruise, let me try and follow this. Suri Cruise is his daughter. Now she's changed her last name. 114:40 Yeah, you want to say Siri all the time, don't you? Because Siri's become such a part of our lives now. 114:46 But no, Siri Cruise, I'm sure through the years, it's kind of one of those names you clicks, but you can't really picture her because I've been reading about her in magazines for many, many years. And obviously being the daughter of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes when they were together, You know, it can be very problematic to be the son or daughter of someone. It can bring you some benefits, but it also can bring you a lot of baggage as well. And Suri Cruise has now legally gone and changed her name to Suri Noel. Now, Noelle is actually Katie Holmes' maiden name or single name. 115:21 And so that's the name she's... And she apparently has been going under that name for quite some time. I mean, you can go under any name you want. There's no problem with that. But when it comes to signing documents, I think that's when you obviously have to use what is your real name. So she's now gone and actually legally changed it to Suri Noelle. And the belief is, and there's some evidence for it, that she's completely estranged from her father and has had nothing to do with him for men many years i have no idea if that stems back to the religious aspect of tom or whatever but certainly she wants nothing to do with him but has a great relationship with her mother 115:56 I saw actually on social media, just to finish up, I saw an interesting, you know, people throw things out earlier today, and this was from someone who's obviously a right-winger, saying, have you ever had a person, famous person, entertainer, who you changed your view of when you found out that they were a mad lefty? Now, you could flip that the other way, when you find out someone doesn't hold your political views, maybe like Tom Cruise, he's got those very strange backgrounds with Scientology and the like. 116:25 Does it change your view when you're just looking at their movies or listening to their music when you find out there's something about them that you really don't like and you probably wouldn't like to spend time with them? 116:36 um not necessarily i i hope i you know love the art not necessarily the artist but we have a great example of that happening right now in australia with dave hughes you know dave has in recent months became very very outspoken and political leaning to the right with conservative political opinions and suddenly he's gone from being all this you know rascal and and lovable you know now he's sort of now constantly referred to as a crazy right-wing nut job simply because he's kind of gone against the grain most people in that comedy world i'd say the vast majority just on my own guesswork would be leaning towards the left but dave for his own reasons has become increasingly outspoken leaning to the right and yes i get a very strong feeling they've all turned on him 117:25 It's funny because I know you get to meet these people, interview them, and there's obviously people that you sometimes think, gee, I hope they're like this in real life. 117:35 And they're not always like that, are they? Sometimes it's a complete reverse. 117:39 Don't meet your heroes, is that what they say? 117:41 Exactly. 117:42 Very often you can be surprised in the opposite way as well. People can actually be far more charming and down to worth than you necessarily anticipate they're going to be. 117:50 Fantastic, mate. Our listeners in South East Queensland are aware of this, but for everyone, because we've got people all over the country, it's quite cold in the southern part of Australia. It's a little warmer where you are, but we're all wanting spring to arrive, aren't we? 118:04 Oh, we are. But, yeah, I'm on the Gold Coast now and it's a lovely night, although I must say I was in Toowoomba where you've got a lot of listeners in Toowoomba. And it was very cold there the other night, up in the Darling Downs. But, yeah, it's a gorgeous night tonight on the Goldie. 118:18 I actually think a midwinter's night in central Australia when it's really cold and you've got a clear sky, maybe set up a fire. It can be really nice. But that's for tomorrow night. We're talking camping and off-roading. Thank you, Pete. You have a good night, mate. Thank you. Thank you, John. See you. Peter Ford there at 5 to 11. Yes, and the full moon tomorrow night. And we'll have the duck on air. And we'll have the duck on air on the night of a full moon. That could be a bit dangerous. And I'm told it's a buck moon. 118:44 Is that right? 118:46 Oh, 12th, well, it's tomorrow, the full moon. So, all right. 118:51 Well, it'll still be pretty full, but it's tomorrow morning, so after midnight. It's the buck moon, and Hannah's been doing a lot of research on this, and it's apparently when the male buck grows its antlers, all right? That's why this particular time of year is called the buck moon. 119:08 I'm so glad that's why it's called that. Four and a half minutes to 11. 119:13 News is coming up very, very soon, and we'll have tomorrow's headlines as well. One of our great sponsors is Mr Vitamins. We've talked about Mr Vitamins here on the program. We've spoken to people from Mr Vitamins. They do have qualified health practitioners, nutrition experts in their stores. And this is about the Witsby range. It's W-I-T-S-B-B. It's pronounced Witsby. Available at Mr Vitamins. Whether you're supporting growing kids, staying on top of your own well-being, or keeping the whole household healthy, Witsby at Mr. Vitamins has got you covered. 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There have been something like 100 aftershocks since it was struck. At least 13 people dead. These things start to be audited because often these things are widespread in areas where... 121:24 No one really knows whether you might have a building collapse. You don't know who's underneath there. There's a rubble at a paper factory and also a shopping mall where they're going through looking for trapped survivors. The mall, this is an hour after the quake struck, there was an explosion at the mall. This is obviously something's been damaged. There may be a gas leak, whatever it is. That's what brought it down. And the Prime Minister's saying it's a race against time to rescue those trapped. There are thousands in evacuation centres. 121:51 And many people without power. And obviously the way these things work, they are bracing for aftershocks. They've already had something like 100. We'll keep across that one for you. And just what's happening in the Middle East? Because if you were listening to our news at 11 o'clock, the news talked about strikes on Iraq. This is retaliatory strikes on Iraq. Now, this was after Iran... 122:17 launched drone attacks targeting American forces in Jordan. 122:22 Now, Iraq has Iranian-backed and Iranian sympathisers in Iraq, and that's where the target is now of these retaliatory strikes going into Iraq, Iraqi militias. In the meantime, just in the last half hour, we've had the US President Donald Trump He, as we were saying last night, he turned up on Fox and Friends, the breakfast television show on the Fox News Network. But what he often does is he'll call reporters. 122:55 We were talking last night about how so many reporters actually have his phone number and he's got theirs. 123:02 So he'll often call a reporter and simply say, well, this is what I'm planning to do and give them a quote. So he rang the correspondent covering this on Fox News to give an indication of what's next. So it didn't turn up on social media. The comments were made to the reporter who then relayed them on Fox News. And this is what was being said not long ago. 123:25 President Trump reacting to that Iranian attack on U.S. forces overnight in Jordan. President Trump tells Fox News about Iran, we are going to beat the effing S out of them. He went on to say, we'll be hitting them hard. They're going to get a beating. So clearly the United States is going to respond to what the president described as a surprise attack. He says US forces had just minutes to shoot down these incoming Iranian ballistic missiles. The president says he has reviewed video of the shoot down and it was US forces conducting this operation to defend that area. 123:59 He said it was real time. They were calling out coordinates and ensuring that none of this incoming Iranian fire got through. 124:06 So that was the message that he passed on to that reporter who's passed it on now. We have had these attacks now on the Iraqi militias that are backed by Iran operating within Iraq, which is another indication of just the breadth of Iran's continued influence in the region. So they're being attacked now as retribution, as essentially a response to Do those attacks? But the question is, what does he mean when he says we'll beat the effing S out of them? I think we all know what those words are. The question is what that actually means in terms of where they're going to beat the effing S out of. 124:43 Obviously, you don't signal exactly what you're doing, but that's come from him just in the last half hour. That's the situation there. in the Middle East. 131873 is the number. Look, there's also this story. 124:57 Glenn Hansard, he's an Oscar-winning Irish musician. He's actually died in a motorbike crash in Dublin. He was the front man for a group called The Frames. He was in The Commitments, the movie. He won Academy Award for Best Original Song for Falling Slowly for a film called Once. So he's very well known, particularly in Ireland. And he was actually a busker on the streets before he got a role in The Commitments. So this has happened in Ireland and now the Prime Minister. 125:28 The Taoiseach has said deeply saddened to learn the passing of Glenn Hansard, who is 56 and has passed away after a motorcycle accident in Dublin. 125:40 13 minutes past 11 now. 125:57 Now, you can't blame the Courier-Mail for trumpeting the success of the Australian sprinters and the swimmers and the Tomworth Games team. And in particular, I did mention this earlier, that you've got this Lockie Kennedy, who won the first medal in the 100 metres, or 100 yards as it used to be, since 1962. He's a very young man, Lockie Kennedy. And when you look at Lockie Kennedy... And then you've got gout-gout, and then you look at 2032, a sweet spot really. 126:28 So the 100 metres at the Queensland-Brisbane-Olympic Games could be the hottest ticket. It's a long way off, but we're certainly looking like we may have some very, very strong contenders in an event which Australia has never won. 126:44 at the Olympics, the 100, which is probably one of the two or three blue-ribboned events at an Olympic Games. So that's on the front page. Their headline says, Banana Bolters, Lockie and Torrey. And of course, we had Torrey Lewis, who broke the national 100-metre record for women, got under 11 seconds. She finished third, and she's obviously got a very promising career ahead of her. And they do say on their front page, Lookout World. I I'm not an expert on track and field. It does look to me like we are on a trajectory after many, many years of craving success in the shortest sprints at the national level. 127:22 We've got a clutch of them now, and so it's very, very exciting. So that's the front page of the Courier Mail. They've also got this one saying, the state government has ignored... 127:30 Thank you. 127:46 This is an issue in every big city, the nightlife, what restrictions there are and what you can and can't do. That report wanted some restrictions eased. The government is now ignoring those recommendations. It also has a story saying the minister in charge of regional and rural development has not read the rules required to justify the creation of a government job for an LNP mate that pays up to $392,000 each year. 128:12 He was grilled yesterday at budget estimates. I guess when you hear a story like that, someone with connections has got a high-paid job, questions about how they got the job, and you go, really? Is that news? It's there on the front page of the Courier Mail in Brisbane. 128:28 The Telegraph in Sydney, I haven't got their front page, but I did bring you this story earlier. It's one that Josh Hanrahan had. 128:35 It was posted earlier in the night and it's from court documents and someone has been charged and the court documents have now been made public. There is a suppression order on identity and there's also a situation where these are allegations contained in papers and the person has been given a conditional bail. 128:57 But it's a very disturbing story because it says two separate gangland shootings are suspected to have followed the alleged leaking of underworld figures, names and addresses by a corrective services officer. The corrective services New South Wales employee allegedly charged only $500 for information she accessed on the personal profiles of 16 different inmates between December last year and May of this year. Some of these were organised crime figures or people with criminal associations, while others were accused of murder. 129:29 The court documents detail how detectives from the organised crime squad were carrying out a separate investigation, uncovered photos of a laptop screen containing information accessed through a restricted prison system. 129:40 It says an audit was undertaken. 129:44 A woman was found to have inquired upon each of the profiles. 129:47 The home was raided on May 13. Laptop was looked at, allegedly finding a document containing restricted data and the fees sought for sharing it. 129:56 The woman claimed that despite having a price list... She'd been paid just $500 in cash on two occasions for the information contained in that laptop. 130:07 There's then a bit more. She's saying, I assumed they were the Alamedines or the Hamseys. It was like all Middle Eastern names usually because of the gangland wars. And I go down here. It says the court documents state that one of the people allegedly on the leaked list has since been shot outside his home. 130:24 Telegraph understands another person who also features on the list was targeted in a drive-by shooting in recent times. So this person's been arrested, charged with 17 offences, refused bail in the New South Wales local court. There is an interim suppression order. 130:40 Identity and the figures involved as well has been made. 130:44 But now she's been granted bail in the New South Wales Supreme Court on strict conditions. And there are more details... 130:52 It's a disturbing story because according to these documents, there was a price list for the information about who these people were. There was payment of something like $500. And according to the court documents, one person featuring on the list targeted in a drive-by shooting. Another person allegedly on the leaked list has since been shot outside his home. I'm sure we'll hear more about that one. That is in the Daily Telegraph in Sydney. Now, I will mention the Melbourne Age. 131:18 because there's a new Premier there. He's been there for a day. He's essentially, not only, as he said, he's not Daniel Andrews or Jacinta Allen, he's talking about jettisoning quite a few of the policies of the previous government. The very large suburban rail loop, which is a huge project at great cost, and the general view is they can't afford it. And so he's looking at calling a halt to any further work on the suburban rail loop. 131:49 And so that's the same policy that is being advanced by the opposition. There's a headline here in the Melbourne Age newspaper, business wants Carol to dump home working laws. That's the work from home laws that were brought in by Jacinta Allen. And the suggestion is he might do that. There's a whole range of policies that he seems to be pretty keen to reverse. 132:10 particularly the suburban rail links so we'll see what comes of all of that because he's trying to create a situation where his government's completely different to the one he's replaced and perhaps relying on the old it's time for a change factor settling on him and not the opposition so we'll see how that pans out there'll obviously be polling done on all of this very very soon now can we just go to Peter who's called in here because this is in Sydney Peter what do you want to tell us 132:41 Yeah, there was a big fire just in Matcherville. Yes. 132:48 On Beecham Road and Perry Street. 132:49 Yes. 132:52 Was it a recycling centre? Is that what you're saying? 132:55 Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's the waste transfer depot. 133:00 Yeah, okay. And the fireys have told us. So is it brought under control now? 133:06 I'm not too sure. There's still a lot of smoke coming from... 133:10 From where the fire was. 133:11 Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, good on you. Thank you. If anyone's around that and you've heard or seen any of that, that's in the Matreville area. 133:19 There was a fire, fortunately, because often with these things, the police or the fireys do have trouble bringing it under control. It seems even if it's a recycling centre, whatever's in there, they've managed to bring it under control, which is good news. But thank you, Peter, for that one, because if you're in that area and you heard a bit of noise, that is what was being dealt with. 133:39 at 20 minutes past 11. Now, the front page of the Australian newspaper, this is a fascinating one because they're talking here about the Royal Commission that's been foreshadowed by the new Premier in Victoria. Now, it says here, ALP braces for Andrew's inquisition. 134:01 Daniel Andrews, Jacinta Allen, government ministers, political staff and public servants overseeing Labor's corruption riddled mega road and rail projects face being hauled before the Royal Commission, ordered by the new Premier Ben Carroll. 134:13 Now, as I read down here, Labor figures have told the Australian there was both an acknowledgement and support within the two-day-old administration that the former Premier and ministers linked to the big bill would not be shielded from the probe. 134:27 Now... 134:28 Again, as I look down here, if you're going to have a Royal Commission, very hard to imagine that a Royal Commission could be set up into this thing very, very quickly. The election's a few months away. And so, rightly, the issue is if they do manage to scrape over the line and get re-elected, well, they'll have a Royal Commission. They've committed to it. 134:46 A lot of dirty laundry. If the coalition gets in, again, there'd be a Royal Commission and all that dirty laundry would be aired. 134:54 And I do notice also in the financial review on their front page, they're quoting Labor figures who are suggesting that from their point of view, it might actually be better if the Labor Party lost that election because it would perhaps take some of the heat out, that people have taken it out on someone. 135:12 But if that Royal Commission continues, and it will, regardless of who wins the election, that's got to have some ramifications nationally as well for the federal government. And so there'll be a few little tricks, a few little traps that they'll have to deal with, and that's all on the front page there of the Australian newspaper. And this is what Dennis Shanahan's saying. 135:34 He's saying, the new Labor Premier Ben Carroll's created a right royal headache for Anthony Albanese. 135:40 Once again, a Labor Premier has jumped in front of Albanese and called the State Royal Commission into an issue that is of national proportions. The projects set to be covered by the Big Build Royal Commission include those funded by the federal government and involve national construction companies that do business in every state and territory. 135:57 And so, again, it's one of those Royal Commissions. 136:00 Its scope is going to spread well beyond Victoria. That could be a very big story next year. 136:07 And it's another reason why a lot of the opinion polls, presumptions about what's happening might be very premature because no one knows what direction that's going to take. Now, I did mention also in the program today that Pauline Hanson... Now, this came out about 8 o'clock tonight. Pauline Hanson's put together a plan to ban Islamic State fighters and terrorist sympathisers. She's put together legislation, 22 pages with a hold of supporting documents, Now, they say it's been put together by constitutional lawyers so that when Parliament resumes next month, this legislation can be put to the Parliament and then there'll be a challenge to the Coalition, Government and crossbenchers to support it. 136:47 Now, Australian is saying that Senator Hanson sent the bill and a 17-page explanatory memorandum to crossbenchers on Wednesday... 136:57 that's yesterday, or today in fact, lamenting that Angus Taylor's not responded because she said it to him last Thursday, nearly a week ago. 137:06 And he hadn't responded late today. 137:10 He did thank her for backing his anti-terror push, encouraged her to bring forward proposals for Parliament's consideration, but that was as detailed as his response got. So this is all designed to get ahead of the coalition on this issue, and they've got themselves a front-page story here, front-page story in the Financial Review, and it looks like they've got more detailed plans on this than either the government... 137:33 or the Coalition, which is what, of course, that was intended to do. I'll also mention this one, because these are the important stories that we can't ignore. 137:44 Australians with the earliest signs of Alzheimer's disease will have the opportunity to delay the disease's progression decades before symptoms emerge, as groundbreaking blood and biomarker tests are made available at a new specialist centre for Alzheimer's disease diagnosis. 138:02 I've got a hunch that Dr. Ross might have alluded to this in one of our common results we've had with him. Now, these are tests which detect the biological changes that begin in the brain that lead then to Alzheimer's. And they say they can show that there's a possibility this is happening 20 years before the symptoms emerge. And then there are things that can be done to try and delay it. 138:31 Of course, over those 20 years, what other treatments will emerge? So it's a really important one, that one. It's not for people who are developing the symptoms now, but for people who are going to develop the symptoms, and we see this is turning into a tidal wave. The idea that you know that you are predisposed, there's something happening there that could lead to it, and therefore you can act. I think that's a very, very good thing. That's on the front page of the Australian newspaper. 138:57 Financial Review's got the commentary today around the inflation numbers where interest rates look like they will stay where they are. And KPMG, which is this, of course, one of the big four consulting firms, embattled. They're all embattled these days with all sorts of scandals and questions about what they actually do. It'll lay off dozens of partners and 1,000 staff in September, more than 10% of its workforce. 139:21 after members of its global leadership team arrived in Australia seeking to stem the fallout from the local firm's audit misconduct scandal. 139:30 But again, that's one of the businesses. 139:32 They've got misconduct happening, but they're one of the businesses, I would have thought, that would be ripe for AI to come in and do a lot of the work that's being done. 139:43 that generates all that money, taxpayers' money in particular, when they're consulting to the federal government. So that's on the front page of the Financial Review. And some of the things people will be talking about tomorrow at 26 past 11 right now. 139:55 Yes, there's a couple of other stories that I want to bring you as well from tomorrow's papers. I just promised I'd do that in relation to that dinner that's caused so much discussion at Point Piper. And also some of the problems One Nation's having in Queensland. A few of you have noted that. So I'll go through it. I was going through what's on the front pages, but there are a few others we need to do. But having just gone 11.30, we're about 35 to 36 minutes away from the start of Phil O'Neill's program for a Thursday morning. He's in here and ready to go. And of course, if the full moon, because the full moon really bursts at around 12.30am, the full moon will be in its absolute fullest impact on you. 140:35 And so if it does make you a little bit crazy and a bit nuts, 131873, Phil wants to hear from you. 140:40 Thank you, Al Pacino. What have you done to yourself now? 140:44 It's got a little throat. That's all right. 140:45 Yeah, you had a little throat last week. I thought the little throat would have gone by now. 140:48 It's still here, mate. 140:50 It's still here. Okay. 140:51 What have we got coming up? Because tomorrow, well, in the morning, you do identify it as conspiracy theory Thursday. Now, I come up with the idea. Of course you did. It did occur to me, though, often things that are quite... 141:06 Not really conspiracies. Someone was saying earlier, for instance, that there's a whole lot of well-researched evidence that relates to the ability to hack into, say, computerised cars, Chinese cars in particular. It's not just coming out of crackpot land. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's a genuine conversation. So how do you define a conspiracy theory? Well, interestingly. 141:28 Well, because anything that sounds like, usually it's involved, I notice, with deep state in the ones that we've done, the secret cabal of people that sit in a little room somewhere who are, you know, multi-billionaires and they control everything. That's usually the basis, I think, of most conspiracy theories. 141:48 Well, basically, yeah. I mean, but, you know, people love the idea of conspiracy theories, John, and that's why the whole JFK thing still exists, and, you know, people still want to talk about the moon landing and things like that, because people want, it's an element of curiosity about it, too. 142:03 I did set people a challenge, and I'm always worried about this, because I can't listen to all of your show, but I did ask whether there was anyone who wanted to ring you and explain that the Earth was flat. Now, I didn't know whether you got anyone. 142:13 Didn't get any calls. 142:14 No one? No. No. 142:16 And I said to my producer, whose name may or may not be Francis, we're not sure, that I said, let's get a flat earther on. He said, no, I won't be having any flat earther. Why not? That's what I said to him. I said, you know, that's interesting. So I don't know whether he knows something. I don't, but he wasn't going to, you know, certain things too, though, certain conspiracy theories where people won't even entertain the idea. And I think that, you know, why not? 142:40 I also wonder about whether there are – this is the world in which we live these days. It's a world full of misinformation and people trying to do little false flag stories, if you like. So you throw all this stuff out. You generate a few conspiracy theories to try and basically create anything that looks out of the ordinary. 142:59 Smoke screen, John. That's it. A whack job conspiracy theory. That's how they get you. 143:03 And so they surround maybe one that they're trying to hide with all this wacko stuff so that when someone says, I actually think this one might be, you're a wack job. 143:14 But people like that. They like the curiosity of it. But you know, where's the best place to hide things, John? 143:19 In plain sight. 143:20 In plain sight. There you have it, my friend. 143:22 In plain sight. 143:22 So we're going to talk about that, and we've got a few things going on. I'm going to talk about the buck moon, too. 143:26 The buck moon. So it's apparently when the bucks, the male bucks, grow their antlers. 143:32 Is that right? 143:33 Because Henna researched this, but what I wanted to know, if the growing of the antlers happens during the buck moon in July, does that mean they keep growing new antlers, or do their antlers just – there's a growth spurt each July? Yeah. 143:48 Well, I'm glad you asked that. Are they new antlers or are they just, I don't know. Well, somebody will know this after midnight for sure, but I know that you've asked Hannah to do that as well. But, you know, also what is the significance of the antler as well? And also the discarding of the antler. What does it tell you about society? 144:07 Apparently they grow a new set. 144:08 They grow a new set. They grow a new set. Somebody says, you know. They grow a new set. I'm in the process. 144:15 Every buck moon, mate. I'm in the process. 144:16 So we're going to talk about that. We've also got, we're going to talk about the dangerous climate, which is driving California wildfires. As you know, they're going through France. We've got the El Nino. So we're going to speak to somebody from the, who is an environmental geographer. Yeah. We're going to talk about whether or not El Nino and the fires will affect Australia. And hopefully, obviously, we're worried about that. We're going to look at that. Government wants to tap $4 million in super to address Australia's challenges. I don't want them putting their hands on my super. I don't know about you. You and I at our age, we're looking down at that super, the end result of our grifting for the last 50 odd years on the wireless. 144:56 We're hoping for that. so that we can go and hang out at your wooden cottage up there in the woods. That's right. 145:04 I know you've got a lot to do, but through the night, because of this coughing and everything, I was watching the 100-metre sprint and all the things that were happening at Commonwealth Games, but you do see a lot of weightlifting, which just fills the air. 145:17 Love the weightlifting. 145:18 You're going to laugh at me here. No. When you watch the weightlifting, you look at it and you think... oh, I reckon I could do that. 145:27 Do you ever think that? 145:28 Well, you know, it's funny you say that, John, because where the gym I go to, right, where I thought, oh, I'm doing really well, because I just saw a guy who looked about four foot tall, smaller than, it looked like Steve Price, and he just picked up 145 kilograms. I was at the gym once, thought I was doing really well, and then I looked up at the guy, I thought, oh, wow, I'm strong today, looked up at the telly and they had the world's strongest man on. And the world's strongest man was walking along with a car strapped to his shoulders. And I thought, yeah, okay, thanks. Let's really write that in. 145:58 Well, you get some weights with polystyrene weights that look like they're metal. 146:03 Conspiracy theory weightlifting. 146:05 Good one. I like that. Very, very good. All right, fantastic. So you're on air at about 30 minutes. 146:13 Yeah, and did you say 1240? Is that when we peak with the antlers? 146:16 1240, the antlers will... So that must be when the antlers get to their peak, and then over the next 12 months, presumably, they wear them, and they must drop off in June, and then they grow a new set. Wow. 146:27 Every time you say grow a new set, I look at you because that just doesn't seem like the sort of thing that you would say. Grow a new set of antlers. Yeah, there you go. Thank you, John. 146:34 Okay, looking forward to that. There he is. 146:37 Phil O'Neill, he's here in about half an hour. Meantime, it's now 23 to 12. 146:43 Interesting one today. We do it every Wednesday. We talk money saving with Joel Gibson. And Joel is with us now. Joel, good evening. Good evening, John. Now, of course, we've talked a lot through the evening and earlier in the day, of course, with these inflation numbers. We know about the cost of living, what's happening with petrol. But you want to focus today on... 147:01 Solar. Now, I've made this clear. I've now got my roof's covered with solar panels. I've got a battery. We can put the dishwasher, the dryer, everything on during the day on a sunny day and the solar panels drive everything, but not everyone's got solar. It's only a proportion. And this three-hour free plan It's been operating since July. It was hyped by the government that you could get three hours in the middle of the day free power. Now, I don't know how it works, but my presumption is it means if you haven't got solar, you can put your, as I said, dryer, dishwasher, do your washing during the day in that three-hour window and you're not paying for your power. 147:37 Is that a simple way of explaining it? 147:40 You can clarify it because you think it's a bit of a dud. 147:44 Yeah, John, that is exactly the way it works. That's why they're doing it, because the grid is being flooded with very, very cheap solar power in the middle of the day from millions and millions of households and businesses that have solar on their rooftops. They're not using all that power. A lot of it's flowing back into the grid. And they're trying to encourage people who don't have solar to use power in those hours. And so they've mandated that every retailer has to have one of these solar share of plans now. three hours free in the middle of the day. Now, I've had a really close look at them. And yeah, I think it's actually quite disappointing. 148:15 There was all this hype about it. People are really excited about the idea of getting three hours free. But there's a couple of things in the fine print, which I think mean that for the vast majority of us, they're not actually a very good idea. And the reason is basically that they're pegged to the government comparison price. And we've talked before about how the government comparison price is not a particularly cheap deal. In fact, there are other plans that are 15 or 20% below that comparison price. So when you get these three-hour free plans, yeah, sure, you get 11 till 2pm for free, but the other 21 hours of the day are actually slightly more expensive because the overall plan is equal to the government comparison price. 148:56 Right. 148:56 okay so so if you order you have to opt in to the three hour free and if you opt in you don't get the cheaper deal that might be available you've got to go with the reference price exactly right you're opting in to pay full price for your power now i will say this this is a caveat there will be people out there uh energy nerds who know how to make how to really cash in on these plans and they might have an ev they might have a battery or two um they might work from home or be retired so that they're around and can and can maximize their usage in that time of the day they might have a very you know they might have the capacity to charge their battery in their car very fast and so they might be able to effectively you know draw a day's worth of power or close to it in that time period and therefore come out in front. 149:45 But the vast majority of us are not gonna be able to do that. So I think people need to be very careful about requesting these plans because most of us will actually pay more on them. And I'll also say this, there are actually some other plans on the market that were already there before the 1st of July with a handful of retailers, three or four retailers, which also have free hours in the middle of the day, sometimes four free hours, and they're actually cheaper than the solar share of plans overall. So if you're going to try and maximise your free hours in the middle of the day and really sort of charge your batteries and what have you, you should be on those other plans, not on the solar share of plans anyway. 150:20 Yeah, because look, we're on a really sunny day. 80, 90% of the power that we're generating, once our battery has been fully charged, and I've got one that just covers what we need, then it's going back into the grid, middle of the day. And I'm presuming, well, someone around here could be using it as part of that scheme. That's fine. But it seems that it's not quite as clear as you've been explaining. Yeah. 150:46 No, I mean, I can understand why the government's been plugging this. I think it's actually really useful just to let people know there is very cheap electricity, in this case free electricity, in those off-peak periods, middle of the day, middle of the night, if you can use timers or whatever to shift your usage to those different times of day. It's good for the grid and it's good for your bill. But in terms of these plans themselves, I just don't see how they're going to save most people any money. You're probably much better off most people just getting on one of those plans that are 15% or 20% below the government comparison price because there are plans at that level now, brand new plans that got launched in July. 151:26 And those are the plans that will save you probably the most money over the coming year. 151:31 And look, if I can just take a broader view of what we've talked about here, our little lesson we have each week, and I know you're on the Today Show every day, so people who follow you would be maybe doing all these things, using your fuel app to get cheaper fuel, doing comparison shops with your groceries, regularly checking your insurance and your other contracts, your tech contracts, your energy contracts to make sure you're getting the cheapest bill. How many people, I guess, again, ask, how many people... actually use the timer on their washing machine, their dryer, their dishwasher, because I know we don't, I probably don't know how to set it up, but I should be setting it up where we load the dishwasher and get it going at two, three o'clock in the morning where I'm presuming the power is cheaper. 152:18 It is cheaper, but actually any time after about 9 o'clock at night is when you access the off-peak rates. So even if you just put it on when you go to bed, that'll be a cheaper time to use it. Where you can really save big bucks, though, is when you can shift those really energy-intensive things in the household. 152:35 Charging an EV is one example of that. I know that most people don't have EVs yet, but if you can do that in off-peak times or in free hours, you'll be able to save a substantial amount of money. And things like pool pumps and what have you as well, they suck a lot of energy. 152:48 into heating and cooling water hot water for example so some of those things can be done either on a separate what's called controlled load circuit or on in off peak hours and you can pay less for those things yeah and the other side of that is that there's people listening to us right now who might have might have an old-fashioned radiator whatever it is that they use to heat their home right now you need it you can't time shift that and they'd like to be paying a lot less 153:16 Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And obviously, you know, as you say, there are some things that you don't have a choice over when you use them. We're always going to want to use air conditioning in the middle of summer, probably in the early to mid afternoon, which is peak time. And we're always going to want to use the heating in winter in that peak time before 9pm at night as well. So you've just got to basically use as little as you can to remain comfortable and then move everything you can into those cheaper periods of day after 9pm and before 3pm. 153:49 Joel, as always, fantastic. Your website is joelgibson.com.au. Thank you. Thanks, John. Joel Gibson there. You do need a smart meter as well. So there's a lot of issues with that three free hours, which I think he's identified very, very clearly there. 13 minutes to 12 now. 154:05 10 minutes to 12 is the time now. And I did mention we were doing the papers earlier. This is a little snippet that's appeared in the Financial Review. The Financial Review has been the one running all the stories about the Point Piper dinner, the people that were at the dinner, the fact that this very young, this 20-something, who seemed to own the house or was hosting the dinner, And they've got one today just talking about how this fellow, he actually owns the Terry Hills Golf and Country Club. 154:37 And according to Rear Window, a Sydney-based banker representing him reached out to the executives who were selling a very prestigious golf club in Melbourne. This is the Capital Golf Club. 154:50 But they didn't offer enough money and the course was sold to Lindsay Fox's family for something like $100 million. This is in December of last year. But they then say the Herald Sun was reporting that an anonymous rumour during the sales negotiations was that Daniel Andrews was involved in this consortium. 155:07 It says here, the Melbourne media feeds on any gossip that might answer what exactly Andrews is up to with his barely disclosed consultancy business. Now, that's a fair bit of gossip, third-party stuff and third-person stuff. But at the heart of all this, no one's quite sure what this consultancy does involving Daniel Andrews. And so when they have a Royal Commission, and there will be one in Victoria... 155:28 All of those things which have been mysterious and having this shroud of secrecy over them, they may well emerge. So it could be most interesting next year, depending on who's still in government, whether they're still in government, there's a new government or a coalition government between the coalition and one nation. A lot of people in the Labor Party will be most interested or most concerned about what may emerge. And just on the other side, Well, when I say the other side of politics, probably the same side, but they are, of course, challenging the coalition One Nation. 156:00 A few people have noted there's a story, and I know it's been running in Queensland today, that One Nation's at risk of being struck off the association register in Queensland after they failed to submit financial documents. 156:13 required by the state's regulator. It's fairly complicated. They did provide a whole lot of financial documents, but some of the aspects of it, the audited part of it, didn't seem to come through. And the nature of the registration of One Nation in Queensland is regulated by the Department of Fair Trading. One Nation says we have given the information, if any more is required, but the suggestion is if they don't do that, they could be struck off. So all of that is in the mix as well. But we've got at 7 to 12, a few minutes left. 156:43 We'll come back after this. 156:46 Thanks for all your feedback tonight. And, of course, all of our show goes up as a podcast in particular. 156:51 Cast tonight, I think, was a cracker with Trent and Sean. So that's up as a podcast as well. We have just a few minutes left on the show, and I thought tonight a little bit of indulgence. Apologies again for my scratchy voice, but this is one that I like. So this is for me at 3 1⁄2 minutes to 12. 157:08 Wonderful, joyous way to end the show, but unfortunately the news, there is some news in Sydney. Wiley Park, a couple of hours ago, police have gone to a fire. Three people have died in that house fire. You'll hear more about that through the morning with Phil. Have a great Thursday.